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Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm Jason DeFillippo. And I'm Brian Schulmeister. Jason, we spent weeks upon weeks talking about this and it's been out of the news for so long and I completely forgot it was even happening. We're buying Greenland?

Oh no, that's already gone. We're done with that, right? Okay, okay. Who knows? Just checking, just checking. Got excited. Trying to take over the continental United States right now. Oh, you're going to be the 51st state? Nope, nope, nope, nope, no, no, no. We're not going to do that. Okay. No, particularly not after we shamed Trump at G7.

Okay, okay. Just checking. It was a good time. So anyways. No, no, no. This is the TikTok ban that was going to happen. Oh my God, TikTok. Remember that? Cast back your mind, Jason. Oh man, I'm going to have to consult the archives. It's been a while. It was a big deal. We were going to ban it because why not?

Kind of. But then we weren't. And then we were going to sell it to a U.S. company. And then China said, we're not fucking divesting. Fuck you. And then we were going to ban it again. And now we're not again. Because we're not. So. Okay. President Donald Trump will once again give TikTok a temporary reprieve as it faces another deadline to sell itself or face a ban in the United States, which at this point, they've all just got to be laughing at TikTok.

They're like, you're not going to do it. Taco. Tick taco. Yeah. Tick taco. So the White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt confirmed Tuesday that Trump will sign yet another executive order to extend the deadline. This latest extension, this time for 90 days, a rare thing, not being Trump's normal two weeks.

Oh, yes. Two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. Yes. This is now the third time that Trump has punted the looming TikTok ban since he took office in January. This is never going to happen. It's all that time with Elon. It's got him into the he's just pushing deadlines now.

That's it. That's that's the one takeaway that Elon imparted unto our great leader is to push some deadlines. Push everything away. Say two weeks and just never do it. It's like the opposite of Scotty and Star Trek. Yeah, exactly. That's what we've got going on here. Speaking of Elon Musk and Twitter, remember, we talked about the five hundred and sixty pound Twitter sign that was purchased and we weren't quite sure who bought it.

It was auctioned off for thirty four thousand dollars a couple of weeks back or actually sometime earlier this year. I don't even remember. Time has no meaning anymore. Time becomes a loop. Two weeks. Two weeks. Two weeks. Well, now we know who bought it and what became of the sign. It was blown up in the Nevada desert, of course, as part of an elaborate stunt to promote an online marketplace app.

Called Ditch It. Yeah. Ditch It good. They should have. Yeah, they should have. You would have spent your money better having Devo write you a song. I don't think they could have gotten three bars for thirty four thousand dollars of Whippet. Sorry. It's a startup hoping to compete with services like Facebook Marketplace and OfferUp.

It was a chance to win and then blow up a piece of social media history as a unique opportunity for shitty PR. In a video posted to YouTube, Ditch It attempts to draw some parallels between Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter and its own startup ambitions. Elon Musk rebranded Twitter to X to support Free Expression, the video says.

We're doing the same for local marketplaces. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. But in an attempt to make some money, probably not from their core business, they will be selling fragments of the sign it retrieved from the explosion and will list them on its app at a sealed bid auction beginning today. Look, you too can have a piece of crap.

Current bid 0.00. I'm not joking. That's on the site right now. That makes sense to me. And then the article wraps up with, in some ways, Larry, as the blue Twitter bird was known to former employees, met an end that mirrors the death of the social media platform it once represented.

An explosive, expensive spectacle that leaves you wondering what exactly was the point of it all. They really should have blown up, like, you know, gotten a fail whale and done that because that would have been more exciting. That would have been so much more sense. Yes. Yeah. And also, why did they rent the Cybertrucks? I didn't quite get that. Oh, because they're kissing Elon's ass.

Yeah, I don't get it. And, you know, if you watch the video, they're like, look, there are going to be no fees ever for listing or buying or I'm like, well, then where are you going to make money off of this thing that you're saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

You haven't you haven't studied your history of the Internet very much, have you there? Actually, they have. They entirely understand the point of not having a business plan because what other company does? That's true there. If they look, if they can afford the thirty four thousand dollars to buy a thing that they're going to blow up, then I guess that, you know, they figured it all out.

They know more than everybody else. Obviously. Yeah. And I was just scrolling about at some point this week and I saw something and it reminded me that you used to do the rabbit, rabbit, rabbit thing, right? At the beginning of every month. It's just rabbit, rabbit. There's no three of them. Just two rabbits. Oh, no wonder my luck has been shit.

Exactly. You've been you've been two steps forward, two steps backwards, one step forward. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got a new one for you. This Saturday, tomorrow is the longest day of the year and thus the summer solstice. Just as we're getting used to these sunny nights, the days are going to start getting shorter, but you can do something here, Jason.

According to Icelandic folk tradition, rolling in the dew on the morning of the solstice is a cure for illness and will bring clear skin. Not in my yard. I got dogs, man. I'm not rolling in the dew. I'd be rolling in the poo. Dog poo, dog poo.

In the news.

Well, hot off the heels of the Tesla. The video that we talked about about two months ago where the guy did the Wiley Coyote test and Tesla did not do very well compared to other self-driving vehicles, mainly because of the reasons we know they don't use LiDAR.

They're just using cameras, blah, blah, blah. There's been yet another test of Tesla, a revealing demonstration with Tesla's full self-driving mode is raising concerns about whether fully autonomous cars are ready to hit the streets. Considering they ran over eight kids, I would be concerned.

Yeah. Yeah. The tests were conducted by the Dawn Project, along with Tesla Takedown and Resist Austin. I think that they had a result in mind, but they got it anyways. And showed Tesla's full self-driving software repeating the same mistake eight times.

With anticipation building up for an eventual CyberCab rollout on June 22nd, the company's CEO posted some additional details on X. According to Elon Musk, Tesla is being super paranoid about safety. So that date could shift. Two weeks, Jason. Two weeks. Two weeks. That's what it's going to be.

Yeah. Anyways, they did do this test. The Tesla Model Y ran through a school bus's flashing lights and stop signs and hit child size mannequins eight times in a row. Eight times. Nine times. They should have just done it nine times.

Exactly. So just so you could use the clip. Seriously. Well, it might not be an issue for much longer because I don't know how many Teslas are going to be on the road. I don't know if you've noticed. I don't you probably don't see this around you, but any any free parking area is now being filled up with Teslas because they can't sell them.

They keep making them, but they can't sell them. Yeah, that's what happens when you dabble in the politic. Yeah. There's a couple of stories about malls in New Jersey and Minnesota or Michigan. What are those M states? Hmm. Hmm. That's a lot of Teslas.

That's what they're saying. People are upset because I was like, oh, you're not permitted to park there. They're a buddy. And what are they going to do? Toe them? They'll be like, thanks. Thanks for thanks for storing them in the impound. It'll save us some money. And they're going to be shutting down Model Y and Cyberduck production the week of July the 4th.

Happy America Day. Happy America Day. Happy America Day. And Brian, I mentioned this before, but I don't know if I mentioned it on the show. Now, I want you anytime, and this goes for everybody that's listening to the show, anytime you see a cyber truck in the wild, I want you to look in the windshield and see, just out of curiosity, if the driver is wearing a baseball hat.

Could be any hat. Doesn't have to be a MAGA hat or any crap like that. Just see if they're wearing a baseball hat. Because my scientific research around town is I see a 99.9% hit rate that everybody that drives a cyber truck wears a baseball hat.

And I can't quite figure that out. Why? Is it ever a non-white male? Yes. Sometimes it is a white female. Oh, okay. Yeah. Fair. They don't wear the baseball hats, though. So if it's a female, they get a pass on the baseball hat. But if it is said white male driving cyber truck, just check to see if they're wearing a baseball hat.

My guess is they're balding. Yeah, probably. I am. That's why I wear a hat. I don't have Kevin Smith money to have my makeup artist follow me around all the time. Ah, well, there you go. But he wears a baseball hat, too. That's true. Yeah. Those movies aren't doing as well as they used to.

So he's got to resort back to the hat. Well, in a surprise twist, 23andMe, founder and former CEO, Anne, and I can't remember. We haven't talked about her for so long that the need to pronounce her last name portion of my brain disconnected its neurons.

Okay. It's Wojcicki. Wojcicki. Yeah. Is set to regain control of the DNA company's assets, according to a press release from 23andMe. Okay. If you remember, in May, a company called Regeneron bought 23andMe for $256 million in a bankruptcy auction.

But Wojcicki's nonprofit, Tatam Research Institute, some would argue that 23andMe was a nonprofit. Yeah, that's true. But I think you said Tam, but I think it's Tatam. I do it. I'll do it Netflix style. Tatam. Yeah, exactly.

The Tatam Research Institute was able to reopen bidding with an unsolicited offer of $305 million, the Wall Street Journal reports. The bankruptcy judge agreed to reopen bidding on 23andMe under the condition that Regeneron top the offer by at least $10 million, and they declined, politely.

Okay. They're like, you got it, girl. Yeah. You go, girl. It's not completely clear what she intends to do next with the company, but 23andMe's announcements include a list of customer data and privacy protections. Tatam.

The Tatam Research Institute will probably ignore, but they're agreeing to for now, including continuing to allow customers to delete their data and opt out of research, establishing a consumer privacy advocacy board, and promising to not sell or transfer genetic data in the event of another bankruptcy, unless the buyer agrees to the same privacy protections.

I have a theory. I think Anne and Tatam bought 23andMe back just so nobody could look at the books, because I bet that $305 million is from her compensation package when she was CEO.

So she's like, I don't really need anybody doing an audit, so let's just buy it back. I don't care about the data or things like that. Let's just sweep this one under the rug. What do you say, guys? Please? Could be right there. Also, she probably came into a bunch of money after her sister's death.

That's just a wild-eyed theory there. But, you know, her sister, who famously ran YouTube for a very long time, probably had a bit of cash laying around. Yeah. Yeah, I still feel bad for them. I've done interviews with her mom before, who is just a firecracker.

She's amazing. But I've never met Anne. But, yeah. Anyway, moving on to some more interesting news. Well, I'm not going to say if it's interesting or not. Is any of this really interesting these days? Who is it on Discord that said we should have an AI section? And you're like, everything's an AI section.

I was like, every segment has a story about AI, because AI is forcing its fucking deez nuts into everything. And people are going to go, well, not at the library. I'm like, oh, contraire mon frere. Oh, contraire mon frere. I got a good one this week. Well, OpenAI and Microsoft might be – they're having a tiff, Brian.

Well, you know, early stages of the relationship. Yeah. Well – They're figuring out, you know, what do you mean you like to eat at 6 o'clock? I'm a 730 person. I want that side of the bed. Damn it. Let's see here. Microsoft is – has to sign off on this cockamamie plan OpenAI has to go – to turn into a for-profit corporation.

Yep. And Microsoft is going, I don't know if that's good for us. You know? That's just going to be, I don't know, more competition, even though they're kind of in competition right now when you think about Copilot and all the other things that they go back and forth. And then OpenAI wants to buy another company, I think it's called Windsurf, and what the deal says right now is that Microsoft has access to all of the technology that OpenAI has, period.

They have – Period. They can open the kimono whenever they see fit. That's what you get for those billions of dollars, yes. Exactly. And all those discounts for a year. So they're kind of unhappy about that now. And they don't want Microsoft to get the tech from Windsurf, which, you know, one could say that, well, they're kind of entitled to it since they funded OpenAI with huge chunks of money that everybody went, why are you giving them that much money?

They're like, well, we own everything. Oh, I see. Okay, continue. Well, now OpenAI is threatening a lawsuit against their BFF over antitrust violations just to kind of strong-arm them.

Just poke that bear. Exactly. All Microsoft has to do is nothing, absolutely nothing. You know why? Why? Because if Microsoft does nothing, then the funding for OpenAI fails.

The new SoftBank funding fails. They probably won't have enough money to keep the lights on. That will basically throw OpenAI into a tailspin, into bankruptcy probably. Microsoft already owns the IP because they are partners with all the money they gave them. So they just pick up the pieces when it's over with, hire all the people they want to hire, and tell Sam Altman, I was going to say Sam Bankman-Fried for a second, to go fuck himself.

So we're kind of back to about a year ago. Yeah, kind of. So I'm really curious what Satya is going to do here. And the thing about Satya right now is I am so sick of his shit. I mean, I liked him before AI. You know, I thought he kicked ass at Microsoft.

He really, like, he did a really good job of turning that place into what it could have been, you know? He really turned it around. And I don't know if you saw, like, some of the latest shit about him. He's like, I use AI for everything. He's like, you know, he says it's the Frank's Red Hot of his life.

He's like, I put that shit on everything, man. Yeah. Well, everybody does. We've noticed, world. We've noticed. Yeah. But then you turn around and there's him being quoted in the India Times. I found an article. He's like, has AI started helping the economy grow faster?

He says, no, AI has not yet caused faster economic growth or big productivity jumps. He basically admitted that there's no use case for this thing yet. There's no giant business use case. And if you look at the money that they're projecting that they have to make to keep the lights on, well, it doesn't – the math ain't mathin anywhere across the spectrum, period.

Right. Now there's another article that came out this week that Musk is burning about a billion dollars a month on XAI. I thought you were going to say on ketamine. Well, that too. Did you see he put out his quote-unquote drug report yesterday?

Oh, God. What a fucking dipshit. And then he's like, everybody at the New York Times should have to do it now, too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the New York Times just – it's like, you know, that's not what we said in the article. We said, when you are on the campaign trail, mister. Well, I mean, I'm not a fan of the New York Times by any stretch right now, but they have a point with that one.

They do. But the funny thing about that, the posting is – his test results is he put the last four of his social up there, too. Good opsec, Elon. Really fucking good opsec. You're worried about your plane? How about you stop posting your own shit, you moron?

Yeah. Anyway, back to the task at hand. Do the math. Just do the math. And then we have – here's the one that started this whole thing. Andy Jassy came out this week saying, as we roll out more generative AI and agents, which don't fucking exist, it should change the way our work is done.

We will need fewer people doing some of the jobs that are being done today and more people doing other types of jobs. It's hard to know exactly where this nets out over time. But in the next few years, we expect that this will reduce our total corporate workforce as we get efficiency gains from using AI extensively across the company.

Show your fucking work, Andy. You're just making shit up. This is more marketing and bullshit scare tactics. It's the Kool-Aid that everybody's a-drinking. It's also hiding in the fog of AI war his ability to cut headcount willy-nilly under the banner of AI.

You know, because everybody's looking for ways to fire everybody. And Elon gave them – he gave them the golden ticket when he walked into X, or then Twitter, and said, fuck off to everybody. And look, the thing is still running.

Sort of. Sort of. Sort of. Hey, I don't know if you heard, but they're going to be – you're going to be able to trade stocks on X coming soon. Oh, great. Sure. In two weeks. Two weeks. When you see these articles, just think for two seconds if all of this is bullshit.

I think you probably will come to the conclusion on your own that it's bullshit. I agree.

And some more AI news earlier this month.

Wikipedia announced plans to test AI summaries for about 10% of mobile web visitors. To say that that idea wasn't well-received by the editors would be an understatement. The Wikimedia Foundation then changed plans and canceled the tests.

AI summaries would have appeared at the top of articles for 10% of mobile users. Readers would have had the opt-in to be able to see them. And they only appeared on a set of articles for a two-week trial period. But editor comments in the WMF's announcements ranged from yuck to grinning with horror.

One editor wrote, Just because Google has rolled out its AI summaries doesn't mean we need to one-up them. I sincerely beg you not to test this on mobile or anywhere else. This would do immediate and irreversible harm to our readers and to our reputation as a decently trustworthy and serious source.

Which I agree with. Wikipedia has in some ways become a byword for sober boringness, which is excellent, the editor continued. Let's not insult our readers' intelligence and join the stampede to roll out flashy AI summaries. Hear, hear, Wikipedia. Bravo! Woo! Yes.

You can't fuck with Wikipedia right now. That is the last bastion of common sense. Yeah, it is. And you know, it has me casting back my mind and going, like when Wikipedia first launched, none of us took it seriously. We were like, where'd you get that fucking info? From Wikipedia, for God's sake?

Go get an encyclopedia. What are you doing? Now it's everything. It's the most trusted resource on the planet. It's unbelievable. Yep. We were wrong. We were wrong. One thing we weren't wrong about, though. Mm-hmm. Oh, here's a new article I saw.

Your brain on ChatGPT. Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant for essay writing tasks, which is something that I think I said immediately when people started using ChatGPT. I think in the first week, here's a summary. While LLMs offer immediate convenience, our findings highlight potential cognitive costs.

Over four months, LLM users consistently underperformed at neural, linguistic, and behavioral levels. These results raise concerns about the long-term educational implications of LLM reliance and underscore the need for deeper inquiry into AI's role in learning.

I can tell you right now, keep it out of schools. Yeah, no, I agree. Keep it out of schools. And I want this studied more. I want to, you know, find out how true this really is. This is an early study. And we've heard this about technology all the time.

I mean, we were, you know, when cell phones came in, all of a sudden, nobody remembered phone numbers anymore. And our memories are going. And, you know, I cast my mind back to, you know, way back in time, you know, when Mongo picked up a bone for the first time and used it to smash the head in on a beast for dinner.

And then, you know, the learned doctors back there went, our arm strength is now decreasing across the board. What are we to do? It's human nature. We do always replace what we do physically and with technologies. It is what happens. These things are never going away.

We need to find the balance. That's all I'm saying. And it would also be fucking helpful if the goddamn technology worked, which it fucking doesn't. You see, there's half the problem right there. Yeah. But this isn't a singular technology that we're trying to replace. Like, yeah, okay, great about the phone numbers.

I still remember four phone numbers that I need to remember in case of arrest. Those are the four that I remember. Now, in maps, you know, maps are another thing. It's one of the things that nobody knows how to read a map anymore. I still have paper maps in my car because I'm a lunatic.

But this is different than that, I think. This is different than one singular bit. We're talking about thinking in general. Like, you know, creative thinking, critical thinking. Those are the kinds of things that are getting beat down by this. And I think that's what freaks me out.

Yeah. No, and I agree. And the fact that it's being used by students and things of that nature, that's really concerning. I think China had it right, man. Press the big red button. And Sam Altman again. These are all of the – I'm waiting to hear the positives, Brian.

I'm still waiting to hear the positives. Because this week, Sam Altman said that AI should basically have run of most of the electricity on the planet. Or at least a significant fraction of it. Because it's that important.

Except it's not. No. And this is – he went on, I think, his brother's podcast to talk about this. How shitty does it feel to be his brother? It's like, oh, man. It's like almost as bad as being Elon's kid. No, that's much worse. That is actually much worse.

Much, much worse. But, yeah. So a lot of the news came out that how much chat GPT basically uses per query and how much water they use. And we know that that's woefully underreported on what it actually is.

Independent studies are showing the chat GPT burns through nearly 40 million kilowatt hours a day. Enough to basically light up the Empire State Building for 18 months. And Altman wants more. Of course. More. For these terribly useful AI sludge.

Yeah. Yeah. Basically. And speaking of power, we covered this originally when it happened. XAI is starting to build a colossus outside of Memphis, which is supposed to be the world's biggest data center at some point. It'll be done in two weeks. Well, they kind of skirted local laws and put in a bunch of basically gas-powered generators outside this thing.

For running AI on fucking generators. They are, basically. I don't know if you know, but Memphis is one of the – that's kind of like our Mumbai of the United States. It has like some of the worst air quality and pollution in the United States.

So Elon rolls in and says, let's give them more. So they're being sued right now by the NAACP and the Southern Environmental Law Center. Well, they're threatening legal action. XAI has 20 days to basically set up a meeting and talk about how they're going to fix it.

Roughly two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll see how this plays out. But they need to be sued out of existence. But, you know, it's got all the money. So what are you going to do? But there are still – there are people fighting in Memphis right now going back to that original thing where I said, hey, look, they're using generators to power the AI.

It's just – the fun just keeps on coming. There's another article I couldn't – I didn't have time to put in this week. But Apple put out a study about how reasoning AIs don't. Which I think I want to do some more research so we can talk about it next week because it's apparently got a lot of people's panties up in a bunch because it goes back to saying that what we've been saying and everybody else who knows anything has been saying that this technology is not designed in any way, shape, or form to do the things that you say it's ever going to do.

Yes, as the learned professor of my AI class said, we're not using the tool properly. It is a simple tool. We cannot – it is not a multi-tool. You cannot plug it into anything. There are some things it is very good at, but it is a very limited set of things. Yes, yes. And research and general thinking, not one of them it turns out.

No. In a funny twist, a French TikTok crypto influencer was released by kidnappers after they realized he was bitch-ass broke. Our bad. So, wait, everything that you've been saying on TikTok is not true?

Yeah. You don't have any money? You're not a crypto millionaire? You were bullshitting it all? Yep, a 26-year-old trader who has around 40,000 followers was abducted near Paris last Friday in a 50,000-euro ransom scheme. But when he showed his captors he didn't have enough crypto to pay up, they just let him go.

No harm, no foul, I guess. Yeah, that just feels like a perfect encapsulation of our world right now. Oh, I got a better one. Personal bankruptcies are surging across the Bay Area, hitting their highest level since the pandemic. From April 2024 to March this year, filings jumped 25%, nearly twice the national rate, with Napa, San Mateo, and Contra Costa counties leading the spike.

Behind the rise, a sluggish post-COVID recovery, the collapse of tech job security, and sky-high living costs. Well, I'm with you, guys. I feel that pain. But that's why I left the Bay Area. I guess L.A. doesn't really count as being much better.

But actually, it's about 10 times better than the Bay Area. It's way better than the Bay Area. Yeah. So, yeah, bankruptcy's up as – well, remember we talked about quiet quitting, Brian? I guess that didn't work out so well either. No, we're being loudly fired these days.

Loudly fired due to AI. That's right. And just to end on a funny one, this is a study on vulgarity. And this is a study. Fuck yeah. We analyzed more than 1.7 billion words of online language across 20 English-speaking regions.

They identified 597 different swear word forms. Now, here we go. Coming in number one was the USA. Brian, Mark, at number one. Fuck yeah. We're number one. Second is Great Britain, then Australia, Singapore, New Zealand, Ireland coming in at number seven, and Canada at number nine.

So I am really, really surprised that we got beat by Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland. Singapore at number four was a real shocker. I guess it's because, you know, they call it a fine country because you get fined for everything.

I guess it's a fucking fine country because, god damn it, I got another fucking fine. But this article was reposted to CNN where I first saw it. And someone who made the graphic for CNN completely screwed up the infographic because they called Tanzania, Tanzania.

Tanzania. Yeah, I thought maybe Tanzania was like, you know, like a portmanteau of a bunch of African countries they just kind of all put together. No, they just couldn't spell it. They couldn't copy and paste, I guess. So it could be one of those things, too, where people are starting to put in typos in their work to make you think that it's actually a human that does this shit anymore.

Yeah, you can just add that to your prompt.

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Been slowly working through all the Disney and Pixar classics with the kid, and we finally got to Brave, which I had never actually seen before. It was in that period where I was not paying attention to anything Disney and did not care when it came out, but really good.

I saw that movie. I saw that movie in the period when I was paying attention to Disney movies and seeing everything that was made by Pixar. So, yeah, it was a fantastic movie. I love that movie. It's fantastic. It was wonderful. And they weren't kidding. Like, I remember hearing the story at the time that it took them a couple years longer to get around to it because they just couldn't dial in the tech to do the hair right.

And the hair is stunning. It's amazing. Yeah. I couldn't keep my eyes off of it the whole time. And, of course, it was wonderful to hear Billy Connolly. Great cast. I couldn't believe that was Kelly MacDonald from Trainspotting as the lead. Unbelievable. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was a really great Disney movie.

Definitely, like, you never hear about it. It deserves way more praise than it gets. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I thought that was up there in the classic Pantheon for sure. Well done. I did watch Inside Out this week. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah. What did you think?

It was good. It was okay. I mean, it kind of was everything that I thought it was going to be. There were real no, like, shockers. Well, you waited too long to see it. It's kind of seeped into the public consciousness at this point. I don't know anything about it. I mean, I walked in fairly blind. I thought it was a good Pixar movie, you know?

It pretty much, I mean, it was no, like, Toy Story 4 where you're crying at the end of it. But I guess maybe some people were. But, yeah, I thought it was good. I thought it was good. It wasn't good enough for me to run out and watch Inside Out 2. Inside Out 2 is fun, too.

If you enjoyed the first one, you'll enjoy the second one. But obviously. Okay. I think the credit sequence in Inside Out was better. Better than the rest of the movie, honestly. With all the different people's emotions taken over. That was pretty funny. So funny. The teenage boy one was the best one.

Girl! Girl! Girl! Girl! Girl! pretty accurate uh i watched i started to watch a limited series called families like ours which is on u.s netflix i have to pump into my vpn to be able to watch it because it's not on canadian netflix uh this is a danish production and it's kind of interesting it's it's got a bit of a sci-fi bent it says here in a not too distant future denmark faces total evacuation due to rising

water levels and then this is about how families kind of deal with the fact that your entire country is shutting down you can't sell your real estate do you have money what are you going to do and it's pretty good like i'm really enjoying it i've watched the first two episodes i think there are seven or eight total i think there are eight yeah yeah eight okay so there's eight uh you know it's it's i personally i would prefer more sci-fi you know more more some special effects and

some you know let's see let's see the shit happen but it's kind of focusing more on the politics and family relationships and all that but it's been compelling so far i'm going to finish it out for sure okay good good yeah i added it to the queue when i saw you put it in here i like the premise because you know it's interesting because replace denmark with los angeles you might be onto something there i need some pointers yeah pretty much get out quick is that yeah yeah uh and then i started

watching stick and i don't really know why i somebody sold me on this it was like ted lasso but with golf no it's not and it's got owen wilson who i generally like even though he just plays owen wilson all the time and mark maron and some other people in it the judy greer who's great but i watched the first half of the first episode last night and i'm like no i mean and i was giving it

i was giving it like a lot of leeway because you pilots always suck you know i was giving it giving it room to breathe and i i and i can write the rest of that series for you with seeing what i've seen already i know exactly what's going to happen and i'm like no i'm not yeah i watched uh i watched the first two episodes and i gave it the winely way so you know i was in the perfect state of mind in

which i can enjoy just about anything i'd had enough wine for that and still i was kind of like this is not that original no it's not it's terribly unoriginal yeah i'd rather just go back and watch happy gilmore again oh that's great movie great movie uh murder bot check-in how you how you liking it it's okay yeah it's it's fine i i'll keep watching it am i excited about it like i know i'm going to be watching it tonight am i like giddy with anticipation like i am with like silo or other

shows no is it okay yeah i'll keep it i'll keep up with it i do i think it's going to get renewed i don't know probably will probably will i think it's i mean the foundation keeps getting renewed jesus fucking christ somebody got a somebody got something through a contractual loophole with that when i tell you somebody's got a peepee tape i think i'm enjoying it i i do i do get a a little bit of giddiness when i see that it pops up that there's a new episode the problem i have with it is

the episodes are just too damn short i wish they would have done less episodes and just put them together until longer runs yeah but and you can tell when the episode's about to end because everything ramps up it's like oh time we must be hitting the 20 minute mark something's about to happen okay damn it that's what this is one of those ones where i think it would it would be best to to binge so if you haven't watched it yet maybe just hold off or because number eight came out

yesterday so i think you got two more two more i think it's 10 yeah so i just wait two more weeks and then watch the whole thing just go from there yeah they do feel short there there's no need there's no anticipation that builds up throughout the week normally i'm a big proponent of like don't binge watch once a week but uh with this one i i think i agree with you it'd be a better binge yeah um halfway through foobar and i was actually i was talking to uh my friend john sylvain from the

nooner podcast the other day i think they've been doing that for 16 years they got three years on this brian it's crazy probably more money too i don't know about that uh uh we were commiserating on how how bad yet great foobar is and i'm halfway through the season and it's just it's one of those things where that one i get giddy to watch for some reason the show is fantastic the only the only suck out of it well there's two sucks this season uh arnold just is terrible arnold is god awful

carrie ann moss is in it this season too she's not great i gotta admit she's not great okay but the reason i put it back in this week is i i was watching the thing there's something wrong with arnold's face and i couldn't picture i i knew that there was something i'd seen before that was making me making me remember what it was is then somebody posted an old george carlin video and it was george carlin at the end of his life and the end of his career was like it from his last special

and i i i got it their cheeks look at their cheeks their cheeks are getting really puffy closer to their eyes it's very strange and it i don't know if that's some kind of i i can't see george carlin going to get filler you know arnold yeah totally can't but it's it's a really weird thing i don't know what it is if anybody knows there's some kind of old man disease that happens where your cheeks puff up near the top maybe it's all the money you have that just kind of keeps rising up and

or maybe you're full of shit i don't know but i'm very very curious about that um okay i did watch the movie sinners this week all right highly recommended oh my god so good you know all the all the news about it was that the the deal that the filmmaker made to get the rights back in 20 years and that's what kind of took over the news cycle and i missed the news cycle where they said

this is a really fucking good vampire movie i mean it's a really fucking good vampire movie so okay i'll have to watch it yeah i highly recommend it i was i was you know i was expecting it to be kind of formulaic which there are parts that are formulaic uh there's the one quentin tarantino vampire movie that was really good at the roadhouse it's similar to that it's so it's got some similar vibes to that but i this was just this was so fucking good i really really enjoyed it

and after watching inside out i needed some adult time so i started watching uh rear window i'm gonna i'm trying to work my way through some of the old hitchcock classics and this is like from the 1950s it was saucy for the 50s man oh yeah that's a great movie yeah um i'm only a little bit into because i had to had to sleep uh because i was watching it late at night but i'm i'm dying to get back into that tonight but man i was just gonna i was just amazing how saucy it was i'm like holy

shit man that girl dancing at the beginning i'm like well okay 50s were pretty yeah make america horny again baby um so i'm looking forward to that uh so i mean it's a they're all they're all classics for a reason there aren't that many on netflix so i i kind of queued them up in order so and there's a new game show out called the snake and i'm like okay another one of these trying to trying to rip off the traitor's juice and the only reason i was like okay i'll give it a

shot because jim jeffries is the host and i fucking love jim jeffries yeah jim is great in this i don't know about the show the show's kind of meh like like c-level uh game show at this point but i just like seeing jim i'm glad he's working glad he's got a gig uh the naked gun official trailer dropped this week the uh reboot with liam neeson and pam anderson did you watch the the trailer i cannot

wait to watch this movie it looks great it's so funny it's just brings all the childhood feels from watching the original naked gun it's so good the funny thing is i wasn't really looking forward to this at all like period i'm like okay i thought it was gonna stink but i'm loving the trailer the trailer's good i mean maybe just skip the movie and watch the trailer you know just watch the trailer again just because you know this one that that's actually good and brings the chuckles don't ruin

it uh sandman season two dropped their trailer uh and the the numbers are out it's going to consist of 12 episodes with a special so uh they're going to do the first six episodes or uh well the special is part of the 12 i'm sorry i can't do math this morning uh the first six episodes will be released on july 3rd followed by five more on july 24th and the bonus episode the high cost of living will be

on july 31st so july will be the month of sandman all right looks good looks really good um yeah could have done it in four but i guess we get two because neil did neil yes you sure did yeah well jason i've got a bit of good news everybody's most hated studio executive will likely be a little less overpaid moving forward david zaslov the unfortunate ceo of the

company formerly known as warner brothers discovery the company which was once two separate companies but became one which is now splitting up again has often been accused of being bad at his job quite rightfully so and now it would appear that the people who pay his salary may agree in 2023 his compensation package was boosted substantially from what it had been in 2022 he received a package worth approximately 50 million that represented a 26.5 increase over the preceding year in which he

reportedly made a total of 39.2 million dollars that's pales in comparison to 2021 when he technically made 246 million dollars from stock options appended to a new multi-year employment contract with the company but now he will have his wages slashed and capped so as to better align them with a pay for performance model championed by shareholders if you're paying him for performance you should take

it all back you should send him an invoice exactly can we have it back please citing a recent sec filing deadline notes that this new business agreement will significantly reduce his total annual compensation including lowering his annual cash compensation the opportunity and reorientating the total pay mix towards long-term incentives this guy should be fired yeah and you're saying you're cutting him but let me tell you guys he's still making a fuck ton more money than he should be making yeah any money is more

than he should be making yeah they should invoice him ask for everything back plus interest seriously and a hat tip to pedro who sent this over musicians are fighting back against ai hope it's working and cheers fella and he sent a link to something on ai music entrepreneur.com it's about adversarial attacks and audio files which are giving musicians new power against ai theft technologies called harmony cloak

and poisonify let musicians add special noise to their music that humans can't hear but ruins the files for ai training these technologies can potentially damage entire ai models that try to use protected music giving musicians new technical tools to fight back against ai companies using their work without permission so it sounds like whack-a-mole but right now the musicians could theoretically be adding this to their music and win well i think the spotify should add it apple music should add it everybody should add it you know they should

yeah will they spotify and apple music they kind of don't mind their content getting scraped that's the dirty secret oh okay oh well you would know we'll just leave that there on the table kids gonk ta-da i can't even remember the name for stupid non-profit yeah all right

apps and doodads ios 26 has introduced a new feature that will help carplay take better advantage of the shape of your vehicle's display which they've just announced when enabled the new smart display zoom will shrink down elements on the screen smart display zoom will shrink down elements on the screen a communicator a phone a music player smart display zoom will shrink down elements

on the screen to fit an extra row of app icons zoom does not typically shrink does it jason i'm just checking on that well you know you zoom out you zoom in all right all right all right carplay is receiving other updates as part of its ios 26 update as well that will feature a more compact view for incoming calls so the display doesn't uh hide your directions and tap backs emoji responses and pin conversations are coming to messages which is just what i want when i'm driving when jason gives me a thumbs up i will drive off the road

there you go and widgets and live activities can be reflected on the infotainment system so big upgrades coming to carplay which is kind of good for the most part but maybe not the texting stuff yeah no i like my i've got a jeep and i have you know basically a like a six inch by three inch lcd display for mine which is exactly as big as i need it to be i'm like tiny tiny tiny uh it would be nice if i could play mahjong titan plus on it though which is the ios game that i've talked about for

past couple months that i've been stuck on all right so brian uh there are one million nine hundred and nine thousand five hundred and ninety players of mahjong titan plus okay i am ranked thirteen thousand three hundred and forty second that's pretty good now now to put that in perspective if you perfectly do a board you get three stars how many stars do you think i have uh i i honestly have no no clue thirty one thousand nine hundred okay

i am i am on a quest to beat this fucking guy i can't you have to i there's like three thousand boards in there i've completed them all but to complete all three thousand with one hundred percent with no hints and within the time limit to get the three stars i'm so close i'm at like ninety seven percent and uh i'm trying man i'm trying because i actually opened up this is you know it's my dirty little thing i do at night

i i play that one game now because i opened up clash royale last week to see how the clan's doing yeah this has been a couple years i i battled for about half an hour i hopped in i'm like i wonder when i started playing again and at like 29 minutes and 59 seconds i'm like delete this fucking app now because i could tell it was i could feel i could feel it sucking me back in like no not again it took like five years of my life that damn game

it's not getting another minute but i do recommend mahjong titan plus because it's part of apple arcade and it's free to play if you get mahjong titan the regular one you got to pay to get rid of the ads and all that shit but if you have arcade it's free for everything so someday i will make it to the top of the mountain my friend all right good luck with that thanks uh i've got a lot here but i'm going to condense it down because everybody's talked about it and i'm frankly bored by it but if there's one thing we've learned over the years it's trump loves two things gold furniture

and using his status as u.s president to make money which is illegal completely illegal and now don't forget destroying casinos and schools and baga companies and stakes trump is apparently combining these two passions into a mobile device that you can buy with real american tender it gives me no pleasure to introduce to you all the trump phone it's a gold phone looks like an iphone it's worse than any budget android they're of course rolling out a fake service to go with it as well

um by all accounts this is this is it runs android by all accounts it is a uh i can't remember what it is it's a reskin rebel 7 whatever the hell that is and of course they're they're trying to say that it's made in the usa it absolutely fucking is not uh there's links in the show notes that tear apart all that and show exactly how it's not and don't buy this piece of

shit there can it can i buy it with trump coin i'm sure you can probably not because they know trump coin is worthless they want real money they want real cash for this yeah this is a physical item we're not going to take our stupid coin saturday september 26th two of combat sports most dangerous strikers collide bare knuckle liverpool's

own darren the gorilla till goes to war with cuban powerhouse yoel soldier of god romero plus the bare knuckle middleweight championship of the world is on the line when the reigning champ dave the redneck mondel defends against undefeated british challenger jack the meat pleaver colon bkfc 94 till verse romero watch it live only on the zone sign up now at the zone.com at the library

brian in my quest to not read the new christopher moore book any longer i and i would like to touch that i gave up the ghost on it i finally figured out it was a frankenstein book and i hate frankenstein books so i returned it sorry chris oh really okay well i'm still gonna read it eventually let me know if it's any good uh then maybe i'll go back to it uh we were both aligned on his last previous couple

works so if you say it's good i'll go back to it i went back and i read happy why more or less everything is absolutely fine by darren brown this is high no he's not actually has he looked around the room it's from 2016 which means he wrote it probably in 2014 so things were pretty good back then yeah it's actually not even about that it's it's more of a philosophical view of of happiness and

and life in general it's a it's a philosophy book is what it really is okay and it's a phenomenal book uh this is the second time i've gone through it it's so dense it you gotta go slow but i just i i love darren brown i love the way he thinks and uh yeah i just really really enjoyed listening to this book again cool and he reads the audio book he's got a fantastic voice so i just turn it on and i fall asleep to it it's it's awesome awesome uh the other book that i read this week is ai snake oil what

artificial intelligence can do what it can't and how to tell the difference by sayash kapoor and arvin narayan great book absolutely amazingly well done book these guys i think they come out of stanford but they're they're smart dudes they're computer guys so they're like us and they talk like us they walk like us and they can smell bullshit like us it's the one thing that i really took out at the

beginning of the book is prediction algorithms when tied to ai are worse than useless there's not enough data to actually make any kind of prediction algorithm work and even the ai guys are like well you just didn't have enough data points well the the theory is that there are enough data points to actually make them usable but it turns out there aren't for a lot of different things you can't

there's too much serendipity in the world and random things that an algorithm cannot account for period and the way they lay it out is really well done and i really think that we need to just start hiring more lawyers to do class action lawsuits against anybody that uses predictive ai governments for sentencing health care providers for just about anything if they have any of this predictive shit in their business get rid of it period and it's like yep we need to sue these

fuckers out of existence is what needs to happen so highly recommend the book though it's well done you'd love it brian get on it i'll have to give it a read but i've got to get to that christopher moore book and i'm only about halfway through the diaries 1969 to 1979 the python years the michael palin diaries book one uh ten years of diary entries is an awful lot let me tell you but when it's written by somebody as funny as michael palin it's all right oh okay okay i'm really

enjoying it so far and it's a really interesting insight to the early years of monty python and they didn't really think it was going to fly they were all trying to do other things they would get back together and maybe we'll do some more monty python i don't know and then there's little tips here and there and then they're all working on each other's side projects and it's a it's it's really interesting i'm having a blast reading it oh that's awesome maybe i'll read that next after not reading the new christopher moore book yep the dark side

with dave welcome to the dark side with dave podcast superhost dave bittner decodes all things cyber on the cyber wire every day exposes deception with joe kerrigan on hacking humans dives deep into privacy with ben yelling on caveat breaks down industrial cyber security on control loop and even brings the laughs on only malware in the building hi dave hello guys hello got a little follow-up from last week

excellent mason writes in game boy was incredible for its time excite bite was so good now excite bike was an nes game and i went and i went on a i went on a quest to find excite bike for the uh the game boy the game boy it was technically a game boy advanced game uh very difficult to find a cartridge for uh to the point where i'm like okay well screw it let me go find a rom right and which led me down an entirely

new rabbit hole so i'm putting in some links in the show notes uh about the uh the uh open fpga guide on how to do uh roms with the analog pocket and it's pretty cool it takes a little bit of work to get uh to get it to load external roms but you can do it absolutely and it's very easy to uh to find those roms anywhere if you kind of know where to look yeah so uh yeah i just thought that was pretty cool that uh

i i the excite bite thing was a it was just an nes game that i i used to play it all the time on my nes did you guys ever play it no i will have to check it out because i run i daily run an nes emulator here on my mac uh mostly you put can you please put show notes or links to that in the show notes so i can get that too because it'll save you some time that would be yeah so uh it's uh

here let me put the thing here it's called open emu2 um electric boogaloo yeah so uh to the point of downloading things if you know where to find them uh just a week before last i downloaded about oh i don't know 60 gigabytes of arcade games to load into open emu2

because i was so glad my kid doesn't listen to this podcast because all we do is fight about how how i try to limit his nintendo time and no he can't buy a new game yet because he has to finish the first one and they're 80 goddamn dollars a pop and boy you guys would just ruin him okay yeah just buy the kid a mame cabinet and get over it man so open emu emulates everything basically okay

they're all they're all i'm looking at the list here it's all the classic games so anyway i do uh on the nes side of things uh right now all i have in there is tetris and megaman 2 but i will check out uh excite bike that sounds like fun definitely i'm sure this had this had come across before but

in my brain analog pocket was new to me yeah and it's very cool yes uh i don't know that i want one but i think my son might want one or need one or i might need to enjoy it through my son yes uh so i don't know for the price of one yeah maybe i'll buy one for him and see how it goes the thing

he's not so much into like downloading things the way that you and i would be but um the cartridge thing i think might appeal to him and he does like playing some of the older games so we'll see i will suggest it and see what he said do you have one of these jason the analog pockets yes i do okay yeah no i i i got it when it was first uh uh basically on pre-order for the first time i had it had it since

then it sits in my nightstand with the tetris cartridge in it okay and it's really nice too because it's uh it's rechargeable so no batteries so it's rechargeable via usbc and and thank god i i started to check there's a whole i i was on like firmware from two years ago and the firmware and the software has updated drastically since uh since then i was always bitching about why don't they fix that and i'm like oh i guess i should have checked to see if they did well they did they fixed a lot of

stuff so this gets the jason uh grumpy old geek stamp of approval oh absolutely the analog pocket is awesome it is awesome okay all right well it's expensive but it's one of those purchases that i i i i do recommend for for uh old school gamers who like it's just it's great to have around it's just one of those things you can throw in your bag and always have something to play it's cool yeah all all right well there's another rabbit hole for me to go down

now i i know we don't talk about security that much on the show anymore but uh i just had a thought that i wanted to run past you guys have you guys heard anything about prompt injection attacks because we've always talked about sql injection attacks on form data on um you know just any web form that's how that's how they get through most of the things to get access to the database you just put in a sql query inside of a form that's getting posted to the

the back end of a website that's getting processed yeah i have not heard of prompt injection attacks yet which i think would be interesting if people if you go to if i don't think this is a thing yet but you know i put in my name is i i haven't even i didn't want to go down the rabbit hole too far because i i could um and i just wanted to run it past you guys to see if you've heard of it and if you think it is something that we might see in the future because i think it might be one of those

things that nobody's going to be checking for but might be running against like you take my personal information from the form that i put in that's in the database and run it against some kind of ai to just you know process my personal information to create a buyer a persona on me or things like that you know jason hates fish to philippo you know or just start jason opt out of all emails to philippo

things like that i don't know i'm just i was just blue sky what do you guys think well for it is absolutely a thing and there's a ton of research going on about it yes it is i mean article after article we've reported on it uh a handful of times on cyberwire in fact when you when i saw this in the script i went and did a little searching around because what you led me to

was the fact that everything i've seen on this so far is all research and nobody has found it in the wild but my question is how would you know yeah exactly yep right yeah um so is it going on i bet it is you i mean count on it but how is it different than like we've all run into a situation where we've been

reading a wikipedia page and we see something we go well that's wrong and i i know i know that's wrong because i was there right right yes or something like that almost every band that i have worked for has glaring errors in their wikipedia's right right exactly and yet that thing becomes the truth because it's on the wikipedia page and i guess in the old days in the encyclopedia

yeah so is that what happens here um i think it might be and i don't know how you the the research about it is all about preventing it and putting guardrails on it and ways that the systems are trying to safeguard against it how right thing how right it's just funny that brian and i were just talking about how wikipedia has become the you know the most trusted source the gold standard and and then we just go yeah it is actually kind of wrong all the time so but that still is the gold

standard the fact that it's even wrong and we know it is still the gold standard right right i guess the integrity of wikipedia is more about its process than its content right that they have a system in place like they are doing a good faith effort to keep things accurate and up to date which not everything is doing and but yeah to me the the thing that that you got me sitting here pondering staring at the ceiling

about is how would you know if there was something in there and how is it different from any other kind of error that an llm will spit out at you like we've hit this total like uh technological he said she said right that's that's where it's just going to be at it's like unless you have personal knowledge and then you have to argue with something that's been encoded into ai for forever

right and what if you're an adversary of ours and so you want to start biasing our large language models let's just say the english language large language models if you wanted to start biasing biases bias them well you start by only having rich white people doing all the coding for it yeah yeah that's right

there you go but um like we know all about misinformation campaigns so how do you target a misinformation campaign at the ingestion process of a large language model right and i'm sure people are working on it uh that's fascinating a little scary and um again i i i don't know how how would you detect it how do you know because it's a it's a black box yeah and nowadays uh there's a there's a lot of talk

this week about how data from pre-2022 is going to be gold for all of these training you know right all of the training that's going on for the llm because then you know that it hasn't been manipulated by an llm doesn't mean it's not manipulated by humans i can if i get access to the pre-2022 data set and i can start injecting things into that and people just take that as gospel that it oh we have

this data set it was from before the before times it was written by humans so it must be you know has has more weight but then i start putting in my crap that i want to i want to influence all of nobody knows the difference yeah yeah that's the end we did a story about that earlier this week i don't know if you guys saw it are you familiar with um pre-nuclear age steel yeah yeah i was gonna i i was gonna put that in but just ran out of time this week but yeah yeah no that's yeah that's the

comparison folks are using and i guess the real short version is that before any nuclear weapons were exploded on planet earth uh steel when manufactured didn't have certain nuclear isotopes in it and afterwards all steel does because the atmosphere has these nuclear isotopes and so there are certain uh uses for steel i i suspect probably medical and military where you don't want those devices

which is basically nuclear medicine devices yeah so you so there are people wanting to pull battleships up from the bottom of the ocean to get access to their steel because it's pre-nuclear so that's one yeah one german general basically scuttled his entire fleet after the war which gives us this giant trove of all of this steel that is untainted so right right yeah and that's what they're saying is

what the with the pre-22 data is going to be like but let's say i want to fuck that up and i go down to the the battleships and i launch a little boop nuke underwater hey have some isotope of you and everybody's screwed yeah i like how you turned it into a mario brothers game i've been well you got me dave got me at 60 gigabytes you know when i when i heard 60 gigabytes i'm like oh my god i i did uh i

i got all the gba roms this week and it was only 32 gigs so i've got i've got rom envy yeah let me just say that this started because i was pissed off that i couldn't play pac-man on my emulator i was like oh no no no no no no no so i did a bunch of searching and i found like there this open emu has a particular um mame release version that is blessed on it and so i went and got that

basically all of it and so now i have all the games and i'm very happy about that i'll be sliding into your dms later today fair enough fair enough remember that time i got you star wars that's right that's right little quid pro quo yeah yeah no it's all good there will come a time when you will ask me for a favor time has come

uh well i saw this in the news uh we we've talked a lot about the disneyland parks and we were talking just a few months back i guess a little bit i was talking about how you know the the new parks are so technologically based and it's mostly like vr stuff and and i was bemoaning like are we going to run out of kinetic rides is everything just going to be this from now on forward but even though they're they are quite good uh they're the technology is there and it's it's very good but uh now you don't even

need to leave your couch uh apparently there are the disney experiences video library which already include pov ride-alongs for star wars rise of the resistance in the galaxy's edge ambient stroll both of which i've walked on watched on disney plus and are rather enjoyable and they're releasing a whole bunch more on july 17th which is disneyland's 70th birthday and these are all from the anaheim park uh pretty soon they were on disney plus you will be able to basically do a ride of pirates of

the caribbean the indiana indiana jones adventure radiator springs racers the incredi coaster my son's particular favorite the haunted mansion i can do tiana's bayou adventure before i even go on the damn ride cars land pixar pal around big thunder mountain railroad jungle cruise soaring around the world the avengers campus hollywood land main street usa mickey's toontown and the 70th celebration nighttime spectaculars will all be streaming live on disney plus which is kind of cool but kind of like

i i yeah i mean i guess it's it's for me it's for somebody that loves these parks i would totally just you know throw on an ambient walk walk through main street usa in the background and enjoy the hell out of it yeah i would too and i have and we will be on july 17th so this uh reminded me that on our last trip to disney world my family's last trip back in march um while we were there we came across several

disney live streamers which is a whole ecosystem now a sub subculture um and these people have these fairly elaborate rigs these handheld rigs that they walk around and they just live stream the parks every day and it's their job and they get donations and they get uh i guess you know whatever the streaming uh revenue is right um and i took a picture of one of them that we came across when we were at

animal kingdom uh we happened to be in the gorilla enclosure and uh this guy was live streaming from there and it was fascinating this little rig that he's got here and i jason you know more about this stuff than i do what can what do you see on this guy's rig here uh very makes me very happy um um so basically what he's got is he's got a new um dji osmo pocket three attached with a handheld uh

basically if you're can we are we gonna be able to post this to the uh the discord you cool with that yeah yeah okay cool i'll post it to the discord channel in the the show show section what it looks like on the left he's got a small rig usbc hub i've got one of those i think that's the hub it looks it might be a little thicker um and uh he's got a dji probably a microphone attachment on the top

right of it where you see the little dji block i think that's probably the microphone attachment and he's got probably wearing one of the uh dji lapel mics now the software that he's using it looks like it says obs remote control but i've never seen that software before so i don't know exactly how he's running it um i'm really curious if anybody on the on the discord can look at this too and give me kind of a heads up on what that is but he's also just got an uh an iphone with a cage on it with a uh

single like single grip um so it's not an actual gimbal or anything he's just kind of got it on on that i've got a similar setup but i use the small rig with the two handles on the side to give you more stabilization with the um uh with a road video mic to like the the nice road video mic and uh it pipes out to a hard drive so i can do uh like the apple log straight to hard drive on it it's not

meant for live streaming it's actually meant for high quality video that i want to edit later but it's a live stream thing this is pretty cool i'm so i'm curious why he uses the the pocket three i mean the pocket pocket three is a gimbal so you don't need a gimbal on the phone you know so you're going to get stabilization from the the pocket but uh yeah i don't know this is just a cool little setup it's nice and compact and yeah i'm a fan i'm a big fan of this i'm not a fan of the people walking around

disneyland doing this all the time though i don't care about disneyland i just like that i like the rig the rig is i know you like the tech yeah why do you not like it brian i i i'm i'm not okay to some degree i guess disneyland is tolerating it at the moment because it is good promotion for them in much the same way that like when for people first started posting uh concert videos of bands like the bands kind of look the other way because like all right this is a pretty good promotion but it turns around

like fans start to get upset about it i i would be upset if like all of a sudden somebody with a huge rig was like live streaming me and my family as we were walking around disneyland we're we're in the shot now i know we're in a public place we've given away the right to that but i can see people getting upset enough about it that disneyland would finally kind of be like you know what guys you can't come in here and just stream this whole thing and make money off of it like what are you doing my youngest son

made a game out of this where every time we saw one of these live streamers he would find the stream on his phone nice see see if so we'd see ourselves and then of course we'd have to walk through you know but uh but there were probably over the course of a week we probably saw half a dozen of them right we saw um we saw this guy jason that's the thing yeah we saw this guy twice uh in two different

parks um and i will say before we saw them at the parks this is something that i have watched online in particular my wife uh enjoys watching these sometimes when she needs a little disney fix she'll just go and see like who's who's streaming right now you know and there's always a handful of folks who are walking around the parks streaming live right and they're and they're they're very

pleasant and they're it's it's just relaxing it's nice in the background uh just kind of a pleasant little feel-good thing so the thing about this is that do you guys remember justin tv before it turned yeah um i had a justin tv streamer that i lived with for about 10 seconds who who i made remove the the device the streaming device that justin tv gave them it was a hat which made a hell of a lot more sense

than having to carry this thing and point it everywhere all the damn time yeah you know you'd think that at least on that side the tech would be become a little bit more compact and you could just kind of put it in your pocket and put the hat on and use one of the new um like maybe one of the new insta 360 cameras so you get the full range of 360 degree uh you know coverage instead of having to point this thing all the time and move it around i don't know i just i feel like that they're missing

an opportunity to actually miniaturize this maybe put it on on clip on your shoulder like you know a little body cam type of thing i don't know i think that there's other ways to do this that would be a little better than having to carry the fucking thing all day well and and i don't know what disney's rules are and and perhaps there's something to this where making it obvious what this person is doing makes it better from disney's point of view makes it better in terms of the other guests so if you

don't want to be on camera you can see and try to avoid this sort of thing i mean they can't there's no practical way to keep a regular person from streaming from inside of the park just their phone there's just no way and this is going to get easier and easier as you know you've got your uh meta meta glasses your ray bands that can do that already you're gonna have snap button i think snaps coming out with more glasses that do this stuff you know it's going to be easier to do but uh i just think this is a

great setup and i want to know what that software is i like geeky looking software you know me yeah no i i had to resist uh well because he was working otherwise i would have struck up a conversation with him working working he was working yeah i'm sorry says the guys says the guys on a sponsored podcast we're making fun of the guy live streaming at disney okay sure i don't claim this is

work dave well i do i know you do oh my goodness yeah i i don't know what kind of uh money these folks pull in but i i i could totally see this being like a retirement supplemental income kind oh god i was totally thinking that myself dave i was like well i know what i'm gonna do when i retire right get myself the annual pass and just go stream

yeah here i am having another churro motherfuckers that you paid for you'd be like like bezos in his rocket yeah i saw someone who did this um my wife had a distant relative who did this sort of thing at casinos and oh they definitely have rules about that yeah but like somehow he struck a deal with a casino where he would sit in front of a like let's

say a video poker machine or a video slot machine and he would just play and he would promote the casino and he would play and people would but people would give him money to watch him play so all these people all over who are a lot of people who are shut in or can't get out and they're how do we find these people jason i know people that will just give us money we need to we need to cater to more shut-ins apparently yeah i'm telling you right i wonder i wonder if the casino put him in in

front of uh machines that they knew were rigged to pay off better probably yeah i'm guessing that they probably tweaked it just like a little hair a little bit yeah yeah look how much money i made today because you don't want the guy who just sits there the guy who loses all the time because nobody's going to want to come to your casino like oh man those machines suck right right yeah that's a good point i think also the thing with all of these things and and i think it was the same with

uh blogs and and then ultimately podcasts is it's fun then everybody fucks it up for us exactly right the the people who are the pioneers have the opportunity to monetize this to build an audience and monetize it and then all everybody else whoops everybody else comes along i can't just spilled uh

liquid all over my desk oh this is bad uh people come along monitor oh god there's ice cubes and jeez louise all right do you need to take a break and clean that up well yeah this is why i put my laptop on a um little bumper thing here all right i don't have paper we're absolutely not cutting this okay stand by i'll be right back just gotta get some towels hold on be right back

we now join the live stream from dave's desk where we can see the ice melting into the laptop melting oh crap it's asmr okay so pro tip don't don't uh don't put your earbud in the water when you go find a towel i can see how dave's uh disneyland retirement live stream is going to be going once again drop my camera into the dole whip yeah yeah exactly if you've ever wondered what

underwater looks like on pirates disaster averted that was that could have been a lot worse so uh thank you for your patience and now my desk will simply be sticky soon but uh all right fortunately i missed anything electronic didn't get the keyboard didn't get the laptop didn't get the apollo didn't get the trackpad just the desk and you know not too many years ago that this actually would

have been hazardous to your health now these things are pretty safe what do you mean well like you know 20 years ago if you would have spilled water on a desk with all this equipment like oh electrocuted yeah there would have been like actual voltage yeah yeah that's true that's true all right sorry about that intermission i'm back okay uh i guess we can move on please talk about the end of an era here dr demento whose long-running comedy show helped introduce the world to weird al

al yankovic cheech and chong and more is ending his broadcast career after 55 years now i have not listened to dr demento in probably 40 plus years but i think i will be in the near future uh he will end production on the show following its october 11th 2025 episode from now until then episodes will focus on the show's history greatest moments and most beloved novelty songs i can already hear pico and in my head the final broadcast in october will be dedicated the top 40 songs in the program's history

so uh it's been around since 1974 to 2010 on uh nationally syndicated radio and then it transitioned fully online where he's continued to broadcast via his official website i will be tuning in for the last shows for sure yeah yeah hey the guy's a legend i mean yeah for certainly for our generation and i think probably the greatest thing he did was gave us weird al yeah and he certainly spoke to the spoke

perfectly to the mind of say a nine to about 12 year old right right well i mean beyond weird al does the novelty song really exist anymore no no really no no only on tick tock i mean who knows though we don't listen to a show maybe there are a bunch of people out there that are sending in songs all the time i haven't listened like i said in 40 almost 40 years yeah that's true i didn't know

he was still around honestly i didn't know he's still doing a show so yeah yeah check it out for sure when i was a kid we had a dj here on our one of our local radio stations wfbr in baltimore and his name was johnny walker original i know um but he was very much uh in the style and spirit of dr dimento who was a you know morning drive time wacky kind of dj kind of guy um and i think he was

kind of the my gateway drug into dr dimento um but uh yeah well i mean good for him i had nothing but with fond feelings for dr dimento uh and happy that he's been able to do what he loves to do for this long and uh i wish him a good retirement he's earned it i understand he's gonna go start live streaming at disneyland now why not why not uh the last thing i put in here was uh remember last

time we were wondering about how some of these uh animations were made that we had that star wars vlogging kind of thing the the two stormtroopers and i stumbled upon another thing is just a couple of darth vader and a couple of stormtroopers playing some heavy metal music but the person who did it tagged it on how they created it and uh using they said they use google labs whisk and vo2 which is

google's yeah little animation thing so i guess you can make videos eight seconds at a time using these tools i have not yet played with them but uh i have they're pretty pretty impressive is that right i have not played with whisk yet i just bookmarked that i'm gonna put that into the the queue for later uh but i have been playing with google's ai studio and stuff lately and you can do some interesting stuff but don't expect to get it right the first hundred times it's you're still you're still throwing stuff

at the wall hoping that you get something out and then and it doesn't have really uh you can't there's no like permanence between or persistence between clips so you can't you can't have the same character animated twice you gotta you gotta kind of be very specific about your prompt and hopefully it'll give you something that looks kind of like the person in the previous one so you can kind of stitch it together do get the back of the head shot you know it's difficult it's very difficult but i i gotta

say though ever since we did that bit about uh the the stormtrooper vlog every single character ai driven piece of crap software for ios and android that you know you you put in the name and the filter and all that stuff every single one of them on instagram has used that vlog as part of their advertising saying hey if you want to do something like this come check out our software then when you go and check

out the reviews they're like hey you can't do that with this liars of course oh well yeah of course capitalism strikes again indeed but it's pretty cool yeah it's good yeah no i definitely check recommend uh checking out some of the video stuff just for shits and giggles you're not going to get anything useful out of it without a lot of patience and a lot of extra money right right all right well uh

i gotta go uh finish cleaning off my desk here so uh you know they always say in the hitchhiker's guide you always got to bring a towel i will i do i look i had a towel within arm's reach so it paid off there you go see all right thanks guys talk to you soon closing shout outs over at patreon we've got

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