610: And You Get a Tent!

Grumpy Old Geeks. A weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFillippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and who's to blame. Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm Jason DeFillippo.

And I'm Brian Schulmeister and we're booting up. We are booting up. That's right. Congratulations. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yes. For people who don't know that my show boot up is now back on the air. I found myself fairly unemployed lately. I'm like, hey, you know what? I never gave that show the chance that it deserved.

Yeah. People seem to like it, Jason. Good job. Do you do a Friday one? Do you double down? No. Hell no. No, this is Friday. People want Friday. They can pay us and get this a little earlier. That's the way Fridays work. Fair enough. Yeah. I may end up doing a Sunday show, though, just to wrap up with all the stuff we talked about.

And for anybody that doesn't know, the idea of boot up is it's just tech news in 10 minutes, straight dish on the stuff that generally that we don't even cover. You know, the boring news. But it's it's it is the links that don't make the show. Yeah. The unfunny stuff.

It's a commute friendly. So it's only 10 minutes. But I'm I it's written so my dad can understand it. So a 75 year old non tech person can get the gist of it. And I explain more complicated terms as we go. If there's something that is a little bit more complicated, I will take a little bit of time to explain it.

So it is your parents podcast. Jason, what's a nift? What is a nifty? Well, Brian, let's talk about nifties for a second. OK. I saw this headline and I just had it just it just cracked me up.

NFT bro laments that nobody is buying expensive JPEGs anymore. Wah, wah. Obviously, he did not get he was not on the Discord channel that told him to pivot. Yeah. To AI. Yeah. It's like, dude, we're over in the other day. We're in the new Discord channel.

Come on. Come over here. Maybe he was too bro for the bros. Yeah. I mean, I still occasionally see the GMs on the Twitter and I'm like, God bless you. Going down with the ship. We know where your kid's college fund is stashed.

I think at some point it's gotten down to like five people selling NFTs to each other. I think that's it. Yeah. That's kind of it. It's like musical chairs. One person is going to be stuck holding them all as soon as the music stops playing. Yeah. Hopefully it's Jimmy Fallon.

Because after that thing he did with Paris Hilton, come on. He deserves it. That's true. He deserves it. I wonder how that show is going with Seth Green. I bet that's been... Shit canned? Shit canned. Yeah. That's the word I was looking for.

That's the contraction I was looking for. Especially after he spent all that money to buy back the bored ape that he had stolen. Oh, geez. What wonderful, what fun and wonderful days those were. I know. As we sat here and laughed and laughed and laughed.

Oh, man. It was just hours and hours of entertainment. But it doesn't stop the Trump train from rolling because Melania Trump has just released an Apollo 11 NFT. Sure. That's on brand. Why not? Even though NASA says, please don't do that, they went ahead and did it anyway.

And it is god-awful ugly. It looks like an iPod, an old iPod, an original iPod. But instead of the click wheel, it's got the moon. And it's in Bryce chrome spinning. So it looks kind of like a rave flyer from the 90s.

But if you want one, they're 75 bucks. And out of the 500 available, there are 465 left. So you can jump right on that one. 465 idiots out there. Yeah. I mean, she took a photo from NASA's archives, which is a violation of their image usage rules.

So, again, on brand. Yeah. Yeah. Let's break the law. Right on brand. Exactly. Yeah. In the news.

Well, Russia looked over at the USA and their strange rules about trying to ban TikTok that are all over the place and said, wait, hold my vodka. Yet. So, yes, they are trying to ban government employees from using Apple devices for official state use, according to the Financial Times.

As of Monday, the country's trade ministry will prohibit the use of iPhones for all work purposes. Other agencies, including Russia's telecommunications and mass media ministry, I love that they call it a ministry, either have similar mandates already in place or plan to begin enforcing one soon.

Apple did not respond to any requests for comment. But basically, yeah, they're just saying, yeah, we believe that the U.S. has put spying devices on all of our Apple products. Okay. Comrade, you must now have green bubble.

Sorry. Yes. Apparently, they will allow people to green bubble. The red revolution to the green bubble. That's how well it's going over there. That's how it is. Yep. Yep. So, yeah, they're basically saying, you know, you can use it for personal purposes, but no more work.

Okay. There you go. Yeah. I wonder how that BYOD policy is going to go with the Kremlin. I can't wait for the knockoff Apple products that they'll start rolling out like the fake McDonald's that they had to do. Right. Delicious. BG Mackey. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah, grimace is red over there. It's fantastic. Another little bit of fantastic news, though. Tesla directors have been ordered to pay $735 million back to the company because they kind of dipped into the coffers a little too deep. As far as I can tell, this is the only thing that they have ever done.

True. They certainly aren't putting any guardrails on Elon. No, no. I didn't even know Larry Ellison was on the board until I read this. That's how much I know about the Tesla board. Yeah. So they're going to give that back and not take any pay for a couple of years to make up for it.

But, I mean, the real thing is we need to start looking for the lawsuits. We're going to get news out of this lawsuit that's going up against Elon right now because his paycheck is $56 billion. He can even buy another Twitter for that. I was about to say, got to pay for Twitter somehow. He's eyeing blue sky.

You know, he can get a deal. I think he's going to go for Mastodon. Come on. Yeah. Well, in other Tesla news, this one just – I mean, I banged my head into a wall five times when I read this. I was screaming. I was screaming.

Tesla plans to license its full self-driving system to other automakers. Yes, that full self-driving system that is not a full self-driving system that is being investigated for being called a full self-driving system and that causes crashes. Now available in your BMW.

Yep, exactly. Thanks. I really do hope that other auto and car manufacturers are kind of looking at this and going, pass. Yeah, hard pass. Hard pass on this. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, we're going to stick with LiDAR.

Thank you very much, Elon. Death is a service. That's kind of it. Yeah. Yes. And, yeah, they do have a new investigation over a fatal fetal crash. Unfortunately, a young child, a three-month-old child was killed in another incident involving their quote-unquote fucking self-driving system back in Tahoe.

So, yeah, great. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then from my, yeah, anyways, from my internet's going to internet file, an email typo has reportedly sent millions of U.S. military messages to Mali because there's .ml for Mali and .mil for the military.

Mm-hmm. And people are typing it incorrectly. Seems to me this is a pretty simple fix. Yeah. Yeah, everybody just needs to get a copy of TextExpander for everybody in the military. Or you simply set your mail exchange to automatically forward it to .mil instead of .ml.

This can be done pretty quickly, but apparently nobody's gotten on that. And there are hundreds of thousands of emails, some of which, well, none of them were marked classified, but still contain sensitive data about U.S. military personnel, contractors, and families. Exposed information from these missent emails includes maps of installations.

I already got that from TikTok. Photos of bases. Strava. Got that as well. Yeah. Identity documents on the dark web, and I've just gotten super froggy. California dust, man. Yeah. So, yeah, they are, I guess, now going to look at this because enough people have screamed about it and tried to figure out something to do.

See previous comments. We solved it for you already. And this is also the Department of Defense. Can't we just take over Mali? It would be cheaper. Actually, you're right. Just from a budgetary perspective, we should just take them over. We know how much it costs to get anything done with government IT.

It would probably be faster to just send a few missiles in a submarine or two and say, ours. You're ours now. Thank you for your domain. Yes. Thank you for shopping. And this was an interesting, interesting lawsuit that came out. Photographers Alex Hunley and Matthew Brower tried to sue Instagram because they posted some of their photographs on Instagram.

And then news outlets, Time and BuzzFeed, took those photographs and embedded them into a news story. Yes. This is the Pinterestification. Well, here's the thing. They're saying, no, you can't do that. Those are our photographs. They're showing up on these stories.

Well, that's a feature, not a bug, because you allow people to embed your post. Most people are happy about it because they are getting the, quote, unquote, exposure. Exposure. Yes. Yes. These guys were not happy with the exposure, so they sued Instagram.

And the court said, no, it is a feature and not a bug. Dumbass. See, now, again, I'm not a lawyer. I'm just married to one. But wouldn't you want to go after BuzzFeed and Time, the people that actually appropriated your images, not the service that allowed them to do so, that you also use?

They may have done that as well. I didn't care enough to give the very best. Fair enough. But it comes down – I mean, the more interesting part is definitely the Instagram side of it because they allowed it to happen because that is a feature, not a bug. Because the photographs never left Instagram servers because it wasn't in bed.

So here's the shocking revelation, kids. If you have photographs that you may someday want to sell to a news organization, don't post them for free on the fucking internet. Just saying. Just saying. It does beg the question how they would find the photos to want to purchase them, but, you know.

There are agencies specifically designed for press people to sell photographs to news agencies. Well, there you go. You know, there are avenues one could take. You know, the tried and true methods that photojournalists have over the decades sold their images to news organizations as freelancers.

But, hey, what do I know? I just work here. We just tell everybody exactly what happens here. Yeah. That's all. MetaThreads app is coming back down to earth after a blockbuster first week that saw the app becoming the fastest growing of all time.

This headline reminded me of my favorite story we've ever done, which is when CBS launched their brand new app and said that they had the best download numbers ever. CBS All Access. Thank you, baby. The best ever. One of my favorite things we've ever done on this show.

Unsurprisingly, after it first launched, the traffic is not as high because people have looked at it and signed up to it and went, meh. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of people out there are like me. It's just fatigue. It's fatigue over social media networks.

I see a lot of posts about, like, I can't believe I have to be on another one. And that's kind of where it's at. People are realizing, oh, wait, I don't have to be on another one. I can go read a book. You know, I've got all three. I've got Blue Sky. I've got Twitter.

I've got threads in a line in a folder called Waste of Time. And I hardly ever launch them anymore on my phone. So market intelligence firm Sensor Tower reported a similar decline in engagement, writing in a report that the app has experienced a double digit decline in daily active users and user engagement since launch.

Of course, they point out this is expected. Duh. And we'll see what happens. The thing that infuriated me about this article. Here's the sentence. At the same time, the app is missing a lot of basic features, including a non-algorithmic feed not easily dominated by brands and influencers.

I consider that the major feature. That would be the only feature as far as I'm concerned. I hope that does not change. I've got mute fatigue. I'm just like, OK, mute, mute, mute. And then I'm like, you know what? I don't have to look at this because everybody's just cross-posting shit anyway.

And also, everybody's finding out that the people that they follow on Instagram, they like the pretty pictures that people post. They don't follow them for words. You looked really nice in a bikini. Oh, you like Trump. And salad. Thank you for telling me all about your salad.

Great. I went back to Twitter just so I can post boot-up episodes because I pay for fucking blue. I'm going to get something out of it. Yeah. That's literally all I'm using Twitter for is to post links to boot-up every week. And I do the same on threads.

I pop in there and I'm like, OK, yep, nothing different here. Then I pop over to Blue Sky, spam that. Then I pop over to LinkedIn, spam that. Then I go about my day because I got other shit to do. And oh, my God.

Chase those elusive eyeballs. Chasing those downloads, baby. Give me them clicks. Give me them clicks. But here's the upside of threads. And in the pot kettle blackest thing I've ever heard in my life, threads had to actually rate limit themselves because of the spam bots.

And, you know, of course, Elon had to jump in on it. And he didn't use a poop emoji, which I thought was pretty good. I must have missed that one. Otherwise, I would have responded with the poop emoji. Still going strong with that one. But I hardly ever log on. Let's be honest. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah.

So they had to start rate limiting as well, which I mean, because the irony is that the threads launched early because Twitter had imposed rate limits. And they saw that as a market opportunity to say, hey, come come be with us because, you know, we don't have rate limits.

Well, that didn't, you know, we do now. It's a feature. Yeah. We're rolling out all the new features, like getting rid of the normal timeline and adding rate limits and being just like everybody else.

So, Brian, this week I was bored and I was just flipping through Netflix late at night. That's why you started a brand new podcast again. Yeah. This was at night. I get bored at night. I can't do anything at night. I start the podcast at four in the morning.

You got to start. You got boot up and then you've got to do lay down the night. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Boot up and shut down. That's it. Or just sleep. Try sleep. So I was just flipping through and I found Inside Man and I saw it was a four-part series and it had David Tennant, who, you know, as you're a gush on the show, I'm a David Tennant fan.

And Stanley Tucci, who I'm also a huge fan of. And I saw that it was only also four parts. I'm like, okay, I can do that. And so I started watching it in 10 minutes and I'm like, oh, shit, there goes my night. And I stayed up and binged the entire four hours and went to bed at two in the morning.

You have zero self-control, my friend. I know I do. I don't have alcohol anymore, but I'm still an alcoholic. I need something to fill that gap in my soul. So Inside Man turned out to be it. I thought it was fantastic. Not uplifting in any way, shape or form, but I thought it was fascinating.

All right. Yeah. Yeah. You probably would hate it, but hey, that's me. We'll see. Now, I know what you're about to go into. Please don't spoil it. I was unable to watch last night. Okay. I'm not going to say anything about it. My title here in the show notes for you is exactly all I'm going to say.

And I said, Star Trek Strange New Worlds is still amazing. It's still killing it. It's so good. It is just so good. I can't wait to watch. I'm actually – it's going to be a late night for me because we're taking the kid to Universal today, so I'm not going to be able to watch until we get home. It's driving me nuts.

Oh, well. I was bored earlier this week, though, and thank you, Writer's Strike and Actors Guild Strike. There's not a lot of new, fresh content out there. There's no fresh talent, Jason. No fresh talent. So I watched because I'd heard from many people that it was actually surprisingly good.

I watched Dungeons & Dragons Honor Among Thieves. And? With two glasses of wine, it was thoroughly enjoyable. Okay. How about sober? Yeah, it was fun. Because I can't do the two glasses of wine. Do you think it'll hold up sober? Yeah, actually, I think I do because the acting – they've got really good actors.

They have Captain Kirk. They've got the chick from the Fast and the Furious 7,000 movies, Michelle Rodriguez. Yeah, it was funny. It was clever. It didn't – I mean, obviously, if you were super into Dungeons & Dragons, from what I've heard, they have a lot of, like, little inside jokes about that sort of thing.

But just as a straight-up kind of fun fantasy movie, it was really enjoyable. Awesome. I will check it out. A little bit too long, like most things are these days, but enjoyable. Oh, yeah. What is it with this thing? It's, like, minimum now is two and a half hours. I know. Can't we just have an hour 50 again?

Yeah. Or even an hour 30. I have, like, 91 minutes. I'm down with 91 minutes. You can cut some of that fat, people. But I'll watch a four-hour miniseries without blinking an eye. And that's why the movies are getting longer, Jason. That's why the movies are getting longer.

I guess. They just need to break them into parts, and I'm set. Well, the FIFA's Women's World Cup 2023 edition started yesterday. If you're curious as to how to find it and stream it, we have a link in the show notes that basically says where it is for wherever you're at.

It is in Australia and New Zealand, and they are attempting to try to put the major games at decent time slots where it's possible to watch here. But a lot of the games, you'll be up at 3 a.m. Yeah. Or at least I will be. I actually really do enjoy the Women's World Cup.

I'm a huge soccer fan to begin with. I love international soccer in particular. The Men's World Cup is, like, my four-year vacation. But I actually find the Women's World Cup is a bit more exciting because you don't really know what's going to happen. They're not as – it's not as solid as, like, the Men's World Cup where you know there are 10 teams.

One of those 10 teams is going to win it because they're the best teams in the world, and the other teams are just trying to get to the next round. There's that a little bit with the women's because there's funded teams and there are unfunded teams, but it can be chaotic. You don't know who's going to win every game. It's not a sure thing, which is pretty exciting.

All right. Also, you know, if you get a chance to watch Norway versus Sweden, oh, my God. Oh, my God. All right. All right. Anyways, Netflix added nearly 6 million new subscribers amid password sharing crackdowns.

So it's paying off. Substantial growth in subscribers in the months following its push to stop users from sharing accounts with people outside of their household increased by 8% during the second quarter of 2023. So the tightened restrictions are working for Netflix. They're working so well that they're killing off the cheaper tiers now, the cheaper ad-supported tiers, because they found that they can make more money on the ad-supported tiers.

So they're saying, hey, you know, this is great for everybody, except everybody. Yeah, except we're just becoming a regular network with ads now, except you're paying for it. Also, I'm not sure I would be doing this tact right now when your fresh talent is about to run out.

Yeah, well, I mean, well. There's going to be new shows to promote and to keep things going and to keep people's interest. Well, they might want to tell that to Peacock and YouTube as well, because both of them also raised prices this week. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep, Peacock went up a little bit here and there, and YouTube Premium went up by $2 a month.

This is their first price increase since 2018. Right. But the great thing about it is, so it's going up by $2 a month, but what it forced me to do, and they even sent me an email to the gist of this. It said, hey, you're paying through Apple Pay.

If you cancel on Apple Pay and just come to YouTube, you'll actually still be saving money even with the price increase. And I'm like, that's a very good idea. I will do that. Thank you very much. That is a good point. Yeah. So don't pay through Apple Pay is the goal, because it'll be up to almost $20 a month then.

And I'm like, it ain't worth it. It ain't worth it for that. It ain't worth it for $13.99 a month. But, hey, you're stuck with some things, you know. Yeah. But, yeah, everybody's jacking up the prices, so I guess we'll see. Because, yeah, Paramount did a couple months ago too, yeah.

Interesting timing to jack up prices when you're in the middle of a negotiation trying to claim that you can't afford to pay anybody anything. Mm-hmm. Oh, so now you're making more money. That could be the tactic that we need to raise prices so we can pay the actors and writers more money, because they're the bad guys.

Yeah. Could be. No, Universal just has to pay for the tree trimmers to cut down all the trees on the picket lines. Oh, my God, I saw that. That was insane. The city's now investigating because the city's like, those are city trees. You're not supposed to touch them. Yeah. And Universal has done it, they said, for three years in a row, which, hmm, sure.

But I don't know if you saw yesterday, Universal is now supplying them with tents to, they're covering the- To live in since they don't pay them a livable wage. During the day, it's for shade. At night, it is for shelter. That's how it works. You just camp out right here, and then you can walk into the writer's room in the morning, collect your pennies, and then go back to your tent.

It's very convenient. You don't have to do the L.A. commute. I mean, it's a win-win.

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Tops and doodads! I've never been a big Reddit fan. I'm on it, but I've never been part of the community. But veteran Reddit users have another thing coming after Reddit vowed to remove its famous gold awarding system. So famous, I've never heard of it.

Yeah, what's that? The social media platform, which has been headed straight into the ground these past few weeks, has now nuked every direct message you've sent or received before 2023. Did they nuke them, or did they just hand them over to Mark Zuckerberg? Yeah.

I don't know. Anyways, they claimed some sort of update and meant that they couldn't port a bunch of old messages, and people are obviously very upset about this because some people have claimed they've lost seven years of chats, while another posted about how they met their wife on Reddit and can no longer read their first exchanges and their early sexting.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But everybody else can. Now, apparently, you can write Reddit, and they are able to pull this data and send it to you in a Word document. Hmm. Okay. So there you go. So all is not lost, Redditors.

You will be okay. Wow. Talk about what the fuck-a-tude. Yeah. I mean, it's a misstep on their part, for sure. Like, how do you do that? How do you not see that coming, and how do you not make people aware of it? Which is the other real issue, because apparently it was just, like, posted in a subreddit at some point by some Reddit administrator saying, Oh, by the way, we're migrating to a new platform, and you're going to lose all your messages.

And nobody really saw it. So, awesome. Yeah. Well, I mean, was anybody paying for this feature? Because if not, tough tinny. Hmm. Good point. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. If you're not paying for it, how can you expect them to be there tomorrow?

Just saying. I'm just saying, you know, I'm just saying everything we've said for 10 fucking years. I actually got a new bit of equipment, Jason. Amazon Prime Day was, what, two weeks ago? Or a week ago now?

Something like that. Whatever. The new Apple Watch Series 8 pricing was stunningly low on Amazon. So, I got one, because I had an old, like, three, I think, or something like that. Oh, geez. Or no, maybe it was a five. I can't remember what it was. So, I got the new one.

Bigger watch face. That is literally the only thing I've noticed about it because I don't really use period tracking. Okay. I mean, I suppose it's got the fall sensor now and it's got a bunch of other health features that I haven't really explored. I don't wear the watch when I'm in bed. That's when I charge it.

So, the sleep functionality that they've added didn't really do much for me. Yeah. But it's shiny and new, Jason. I like shiny and new sometimes. The thing is, I've got a Series 6 and the guts of your 8 are exactly the same as my Series 6. So, they haven't updated the hardware in quite some time.

So, that's why I've stuck with my 6 for so long. I hear they might be changing it with 9. That's what I'm waiting for. I'm just waiting for the next update. I'm actually waiting for the next, what are the, Ultras or whatever, the new fancy-pantsy big ding-dong ones. Yes, because of all the extreme sports you do, Jason.

Exactly. Isn't that great? The battery is dying on mine and I just like, I like the look of the new one. So, I'm waiting for that thing to come out. They're very pricey, the Ultras. That is an investment. On to that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, my current Apple Watch just, for some reason, decided to tell me that when it heard that I said the battery was dying more, it was like, no, it's not.

It literally, it was just like, it just yelled at me. So, maybe it is time to get rid of you. Maybe. You creepy little fucker. Oh, man. Well, congratulations on your new bit of gear. Yeah, barely notice it.

Yep. On the plus side, though, all my old bands still fit on it, even though it's a bigger watch face, which is great. Yeah, those bands have never changed. They've never changed. It's good that they do that. Yeah, wait till the next version when it's all going to be USB-C. I saw this story and I just had to laugh.

Photographer uses Adobe Firefly to fake vacation photos and fool his friends. Okay. This guy just created a whole vacation out of whole cloth and posted it on Instagram. And one, one person called bullshit on it. But to be honest, the photos actually looked pretty good.

I got to give them credit. They did a pretty good job. I would say maybe 5%, 5% he did such a good job faking it. 95%, nobody cared. That's true because nobody cares about your vacation. Exactly. Everybody hates your vacation as a matter of fact. Oh, you went on vacation.

Scroll, scroll, scroll. Yeah. Yeah. Swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe. Done. Okay. You back? Okay, let's go get a beer. Okay. Where did you go? Oh, I don't care. It doesn't matter. But I think the one that was really the best one was the one where he looked miserable at the airport.

Well, true to life. That's about it. Yeah. I'm like, okay. Context worked. Everything was fine. It's good. It's a fun story. So, this other story is just a head scratcher. Elusive, first-gen, 4-gigabyte iPhone auctioned for a record $190,373.

I still have my iPhone 1, and I would sell it for $190. I don't get that. Yeah. It doesn't even show up on my Apple Exchange options. I know, I can't even trade it in. Oh, what the hell? Apparently, this was a very rare 4-gigabyte version because they were only out for a little bit for two months.

It had the Unforgettable Fire by U2 placed on it. Still there. Can't get rid of it. The only thing that still works on that phone. So, people just have way too much money. And I hope he just smashes it and turns it into an NFT, which would be perfect.

Oh, you're listening, Melania? Yeah. Oh, she doesn't have any money because nobody's buying her NFTs. Okay. And I do have one little bit of 1Password news. I have decided to finally bite the bullet, and I started converting all of my two-factor auth websites.

Instead of using external authenticator apps, I switched them over to use 1Password's internal two-factor authentication app. So much nicer. Oh, God. I'm going to have to do this then, aren't I? Oh, God. I don't have to pull my phone out anymore when I'm logging into a website on my laptop.

It's great. Yeah. It is so much nicer. GOG.show slash 1Password. If you want to get a deal on 1Password, go check it out. That's the best password manager I've ever used. Hands down. Hands down. And, you know, there's one thing, Brian, that I've noticed about 1Password.

In all the years we've been covering tech news, we've never covered a breach of 1Password. That's a good point. LastPass, how many times have we covered LastPass breaches? Oh, that's weekly. Yeah, exactly. There are other ones, too. 1Password, knock on wood.

We don't need another David Bowie incident here. Guess what's happening next week. I knocked on the wood. Here we go. Where's some wood? Here we go. Knocked. 1Password will still be fine next week. Please, please, please. GOG.show slash 1Password for a deal. But I've got to say, it is so much nicer having all of that two-factor shit in one place.

Except for YouTube, which still makes you – or Google, which still makes you log in with a fucking YouTube thing. Oh, one – Apparently, you can fix that. Somebody wrote in and said we're idiots because there's some obscure setting that involves runes and chanting that makes it happen. No, what it is is you can have it text you instead of having to open the app.

You can say use other methods. It's still got to use – well, unless you have it set up on your Mac. The Get It To Your Messages app. But it's still a fucking obnoxious way to do it. Yes. Yes, it is. The Dark Side. Ha! With Dave.

Welcome to The Dark Side with Dave with podcast super host Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the Cyber Wire podcast for all your cybersecurity news. The co-host of Hacking Humans with Joe Kerrigan discussing how humans are mean. The co-host of Caveat with Ben Yellen because people are nosy.

And the host of Control Loop because industrial machines have feelings too. Hello, Dave. Hello. Good to be back. How's the COVID? I think it's gone. I'd say I'm back to feeling like myself. The past couple days here, I have not noticed my health, which is the best thing I can say.

That's always the good thing about health, not thinking about it. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, I think I'm back in good shape here. And I wish to never have it again. Yeah, you sounded rough last week. And you've got that pep in your voice back.

Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I was tired. The fatigue is a real thing with COVID. So, happy to be back. Brian, I'm eager to hear about your Disneyland trip. How did it go? It was awesome. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah.

We got the Park Hopper Pass. So, we started the day off at California Adventures, what they call it here. Yeah. We had a good time over there. All the Pixar rides were big hits with the age group of the kids that we were with. Yeah. So, they had a blast. And then we went over to the main park itself in the afternoon.

It has been so hot here that the park was surprisingly empty. Oh, wow. It was wonderful. I mean, there were lots of people around, but lines for rides were pretty short, except for the big ones that you would expect. They always have a long line. Interestingly enough, we were there the day that they were doing the Haunted Mansion premiere from Disneyland for the movie.

Now, because of the writer's strike at the actor's strike, I think it kind of foiled their plans because none of the actors attended. So, they had to pivot at the last minute. And what they did, and this worked out perfectly for my son because my son likes villains.

He likes the bad guys and everything. So, they pivoted by having the Disney cast, who are not members of SAG-AFTRA, show up. They had all the bad guys from every movie there. So, Cruella de Vil, Maleficent, all of them.

And they were, because they had to come in for the premiere anyways, they worked a full day. So, they walked around the park. So, my kid got to meet all the villains. And he was absolutely thrilled about all that. So, it was a very interesting, fun day, as always. I mean, at the end of the day, and I was talking about this with some people last night.

We were getting into like – we were talking – he's one of the lawyers at Shopify and we were talking stock prices and all this other stuff. And I was like, I'm constantly confounded as to how Disney stock price is down because not only is their streaming network like perfect for people that have kids and you are locked and loaded and you are going to pay that.

Whatever they charge you, you're going to pay for a good 10 to 15 years of your life if you have a kid. And the parks are just – I mean, I know they're exorbitantly expensive, but my God, do they do it right compared to everybody else. I mean, it is a flawless experience.

Yeah, that's true. The one – I wonder, did you all ride the Incredicoaster over at California Adventure? My kid freaked out at the last minute and was not going to do that. So, I did not get to ride it. But, yeah, half of our group did. One of our COVID bubble friends, their daughter is like – she's going to be a handful.

She is a daredevil. She will do everything. Yeah. The thing I love about that ride is how they integrate the soundtrack from The Incredibles, which I think is one of the great movie soundtracks ever. Oh, it's a good one, yeah. Yeah.

And so you have speakers built into the headrest of the coaster and it just works. It's really well done and it's a fun coaster anyway, but having that music along with it just takes it to another level. Yeah. It was a good time all around and I'm hoping – we're dipping his toes into the roller coasters with the more kiddie ones and we took him on Pirates of the Caribbean with the drop and all that.

So he's starting to get into it. But speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean, I have not ridden that ride in many, many years. The addition of the Johnny Depp character into popping up here and there is jarring. But, I mean, I get it. Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And you – what is it? You no longer – you no longer buy a bride? Oh, yes. The wench's thing is long gone. Now it's always the women chasing the men, but it's like they're carrying like a cupcake and she's got a roller because, you know, he stole a cupcake because that's what pirates do.

Right, right. Yeah, but still with the group that we were with, they hadn't ridden the ride in many, many years either and certainly it was the first time taking their kids on the ride as well. And the wife looked over at me and was like, I don't remember this being so dark. I'm like, well, they actually cleaned it up a bit.

But, yeah, it's still pretty dark. It's gun shooting and jail and – Yeah. Right, right. Yep. Well, good. I'm glad you had a good time. Come on. Yes, it's about pirates. It does what it says on the tin. Yeah. It's also that era. I think we talked about when I got back from my big Disney trip earlier this year how we went in the country bear jamboree and we're left with our jaws on the floor because of how weird and dark it is.

Well, yes, but just dark. There's this whole – one of the bears sings this song about like blood everywhere. It's like blood on the horse, blood on the ground, blood on the saddle. We're all looking at each other going, what is going on? How did this get approved?

And as kids, when we saw it, we didn't bat an eye. But now seeing it through the eyes of an adult with a kid, you're like, what is – how is he still here? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, I'm glad you had a great time. I was thinking about you all and that's perfect to have the – to end up being there on a light day.

That's all you can ask for. Yeah. Yeah, it was really fantastic. So wonderful time. I'm just wondering why did they call it California Adventure when it's in California? Shouldn't it just be called Adventure? Well, again – That's a fair question. It's a fair question.

But obviously they are mostly catering towards people that are not from California that are coming out to visit. So I guess the theory is why don't you just come to our park and give us $1,000 instead of actually going to San Francisco or driving around California? Yeah. Right. And stay out of Compton.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. Compton land is a bit scary. Talk about dark. Well, I think similarly with Epcot, it's like, well, I've never been to France, but I've been to Epcot. So that's pretty much the same thing. That's close. They were rude and sent and sold me an $8 croissant.

Yeah. That's about it. God. So a little bit of cybersecurity news here just for – Must we? The giggles. Do we have to? This one is kind of funny. Come on. We're going to be getting a new labeling system for our IoT device.

It's called the Cyber Trustmark. Mm-hmm. And it comes with a QR code because that's going to keep us protected. Yeah. Yeah. This seems kind of like a security theater to me. You're going to have to have your devices verified and you're going to have to meet certain standards that are going to be tested by third-party labs.

But there are so many, so many IoT devices out there and all of this stuff nowadays that – is this even going to matter, do you guys think? Well, in a world in which we have a label saying, please do not eat the silicon packaging or do not drink the gasoline, what's one more label?

I saw one – there was somebody posted to our Discord. It said, you know, stripe towards cardholder and then underneath it, it said, you are the cardholder. Right. This is the world we're in now, right? Like everything is labeled beyond all – well, I mean obviously there's a reason those labels are there because people are dumb.

So, I mean I don't have a problem with this. It's – to your point, there's so many things out there now. This department is going to have to staff up big time. I think we're all going to be employed by them at some point. I think every label tells a story and to me, this is the cybersecurity version of the Energy Star label.

Right. OK. So, it's not going to change the world but it's not bad that it's there. It's voluntary by the way. This is – there's no regulatory backup for this. So, organizations do this on their own accord in order to get the label and so I think they see it as being perhaps a competitive advantage.

If you're cruising the aisles at Best Buy or scrolling through Amazon and you see some things have the label and some don't, then maybe there's something there. Buy the one that has it. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's good. It will be interesting to see what they do in terms of enforcement because I can see everybody on Amazon just slapping the label on there whether they actually have it or not.

So, that could be a problem. It's interesting to me that this is being headed up by the FCC. I'm not quite sure what to make of this. I actually have a call next week with someone from the White House about this very issue.

I know, right? And I'm going to ask that question. Wear your stormtrooper helmet, please. I mean, Kamala is not doing much. So, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I said – when they said someone from the White House wants to come on to talk about this, I said, if it's not Biden, I don't want to talk to them.

And it's not Biden and I'm going to talk to them. Right. Yeah, I don't know why the FCC is doing it either. So, I hope you bring an answer to the table next week. Yeah, I don't know. And it could be that they have more regulatory enforcement. Maybe they have less on their plate.

I don't know. Is it more time on their hands? Right, exactly. I don't know. But it is a question I'm planning on asking. But I think this is overall a good thing. It doesn't require a lot of effort. It's good to bring attention to this sort of thing, even to get people in a mindset that they should be comparison shopping these things and that security is something to be top of mind.

It's all good. Not going to change the world, but I like it. It's not going to hurt. Right. Right. Right. And that's the high bar we've set for ourselves these days. We're going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars on something that ain't going to hurt.

Right. If we're lucky, we'll come out the same as we did when we went in. Exactly. It's all we can hope for nowadays. It's all we can hope for. Maybe Jason would have ended up with less Chinese security cameras had this been around earlier. This is the theory. That's right. No, I was still broke.

I was going to get what I got. That's it. Yeah. Now, I do like the fact that they will require strong default passwords. That'll be nice. What would be better is, you know, they don't specifically say that they're going to require, you know, automatic software updates.

But that would be the best thing. If cameras required automatic software updates. Come on. That would be fantastic. But, yeah, we'll see how it goes. We'll see. Yeah. It's just a thing. It's a new thing. Thought I'd bring it up. Something for us to poop on. I suspect it will eventually just fade into the background the same way that Energy Star does.

You don't think about it. And if you buy any device that isn't from Apple, chances are it has one of these stickers on it. Yeah. Like when you go to Best Buy and there's just the annoying strip of labels that you pull off of things when you purchase them. Exactly. It'll be just one more. And for five seconds, you feel good about yourself for having made the decision to buy something that has Energy Star on it.

And you think, oh, I'm saving the world. And then you move on with your life. Yeah. Is this going to be well listed, you know? Depending on where they put the labels, we might see an uptick in people buying Gooby Gone. So I'll buy some stock in that company. There you go. So some sad news this week.

Saw the announcement that earlier this week, Kevin Mitnick died. And Kevin was perhaps the most famous hacker in the world. Certainly from a certain – folks who are of a certain age, Kevin was probably the most well-known hacker that I can think of.

Started out as a phone freaker. He was very much into ham radio. So sort of came up with that first generation, that first wave of folks who were using the telephone system and modems and that sort of thing to break into other people's systems.

He got caught. He did time and eventually got out of jail, turned his life around, became a security consultant, had an ownership interest in KnowBefore and evidently passed this week from pancreatic cancer.

So very sad to hear that. Yeah. I didn't know who he was when I was a kid, but to circle back to Disneyland again, I certainly benefited from some of his work. Phone freaking was something that we all did at Disneyland because they used to have banks of pay phones and we'd learn the codes to make like free phone calls or to set the phone to start ringing in five minutes, all of that sort of stuff.

That was how we spent our time in Disneyland as young kids. So thank you. Thank you, Kevin, for that. It was fun. Yeah. I can't say I knew him very well. I met him a few times. I interviewed him a few times and he's one of those folks where like if we cross paths at trade shows or something, we would stop and say hello and just sort of a polite how are you, that sort of thing.

Never really. I can't say he was a friend, but he was an acquaintance. I'm actually looking right now. He was one of the things he was famous for was his business cards. Yep. And I'm holding one right now, which I never got one. I think he was the first person to do the lock picking business card.

So his business card is made out of metal and it's been die cut, you know, stamped to have lock picking tools be part of it. I don't know if he was the original and I suspect, you know, there Kevin got one of the accusations that people often made about Kevin was that he was mostly a social engineer and that perhaps his technical skills were not so great.

So he was often accused of kind of riding on the shoulders of others. That's because geeks are catty. Well, you know what? So I was thinking about this that this week and one of the things it reminds me of is the way I've heard jazz musicians talk about pop stars.

Yeah. Which is sort of they resent them for their popularity. There's some jealousy. Yes, there's some jealousy. But what you'll hear them, what you hear the jazz people say about the pop stars is, well, they can't play. Right.

I have a friend who went to high school with who's a who's a professional jazz musician. And I remember talking to him once about Duran Duran. He's like, yeah, you know, none of those guys can play. And I said, well, you know what? You can actually play melodies that people like more than yours. Exactly.

I said, think about all the people who have danced to their music, who have fallen in love, who have, you know, used their music to comfort them when they lost a loved one or whatever. Just like they have this tremendous amount of influence. And can't we be just OK with that?

Yeah. And look, if it's sexy time, I'm putting on my chauffeur by Duran Duran, not free form jazz. There you go. I'm just saying. There you go. So I'm not sure if Kevin Mitnick was the first one to do this sort of business card.

I think I wonder if he was following the footsteps of Woz, who famously had a metal business card that I believe had a serrated edge on one side of it. And he would famously – because it was a business card, he could take it on to flights where knives were prohibited and because, you know, I guess Woz always flew first class.

He would be served things like steaks and he would take out his business card and use it to cut the steak rather than have to use the plastic knife that they gave you on the plane. So, you know, Woz was famously subversive and I wonder if Kevin got the idea from that or not. Regardless, it's a nice little keepsake and I'm glad that I have it and, you know, I don't – lots of people have lots of bad things to say about Kevin.

I'll use the cliche that he was always nice to me and every interaction I had with him was pleasant. He struck me as one of those folks who was kind of larger than life when he was on stage but one-on-one he was much quieter and introspective and more of an introvert, which I think is not that unusual for folks in his position.

So sad to see him go. Yeah, my – I never got to meet the guy but I was introduced to him during the Free Kevin movement because his web mistress at the time worked with me and I ended up dating her for a while.

Brian, you met her. We went to the Goo Goo Dolls together. Okay. And Carrie Zero was her name back then. And she turned me on to Freedom Downtime, which is a great documentary about when Kevin was in jail. It does not have the production value of a modern-day movie.

It's kind of a grassroots 2600 thing with Emanuel Goldstein and the crew in there. So it's well worth watching. The whole thing is free on YouTube. I recommend checking it out. But it's pretty good. It's a pretty good kind of summation of what was going on back then.

And it is definitely a one-sided point of view of the entire debacle. But I never got his business card. But somewhere, somewhere I've got some of the original Free Kevin stickers. Oh, nice. Yeah, because he was in jail when I was introduced to him.

Okay. And they were trying to get him out. So – but yeah. No, it was a shocker. It was definitely a shocker when I saw that. And sadly, his wife is pregnant with their first kid, which is even really sad. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Continuing along the theme of death, Tony Bennett died. You know, I was never really a big fan. I can't say I've never owned a Tony Bennett album. I've never sought out Tony Bennett. But when I woke up this morning and I saw the news, it made me inexplicably sad.

It's just one of those things that have always been there. Like Tony Bennett has always existed as long as I've existed and now he no longer exists and that makes me sad somehow. I think I'm just starting to get old. Yeah. I mean he was one of the few remaining living connections to that age, to the Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., that age.

You know, a little younger than those folks, but certainly well-respected. I was a big fan of his as someone who studied vocal music and singing and all that kind of stuff. He was the real deal. And I included a link here to what I think is my favorite Tony Bennett song.

It's his take on the song I Got Lost in His Arms. He does I Got Lost in Her Arms. It's from the musical Annie Get Your Gun, which was written by Irving Berlin. And this was an album that Tony recorded, I think he was around 60 when he recorded this.

And to get in a little bit of the technical weeds here, his breath control in this song just floors me. I mean I am in my 50s and I haven't been able to have this kind of breath control since I was probably in my 30s.

So – and I'm not a professional singer. I'm not doing it every day. It's not the thing I make my living doing, so all that stuff applies to him. But what an artist and just the technical chops that he had as well were impressive. It wasn't just a pretty face or a strong personality.

The guy could really sing. Well, I mean he could still really sing in his 80s or however old he was when he did that stuff with Lady Gaga. I remember seeing the live performances and I was like he could barely walk, but man, could he sing, you know? Right, right. And I saw him a few times – I think all the times I saw him were at Wolf Trap, which is an outdoor amphitheater here near where I live.

It's run by the National Park Service. And something that he would do for all of his concerts was at the end of the show, he would have them turn off all of the amplification and he would sing America a cappella unmiked. And the guy could still fill – this is a 15,000-seat arena with two-thirds of that as lawn and he filled the place.

All right. Yeah. I do remember his Amy Winehouse duet album, which was pretty – I thought that was pretty amazing. Oh, I totally forgot about that one. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was really good. And I do know some people that do know Tony and say I had nothing but amazing things to say about him the entire time.

They said that he was one of the most genuinely nice people in show business that they've ever known. I met him once and it was just a brief kind of thing. I was – there was – there used to be a music festival here called the HF Festival. I don't know if you guys ever heard of it. I've heard of it, yeah. There's a radio station here.

It used to be a progressive station called WHFS and they had a festival at a stadium. And right when Tony Bennett was making his comeback, suddenly found himself popular and interested in by the MTV generation, he made a surprise appearance at the HF Festival.

And I happened to be – this was back in my TV days. I was doing a promotional video for the festival itself. So I was backstage and in comes Tony Bennett. And it was just like – I mean it was as if someone were doing the best Tony Bennett impersonation you could ever imagine because he just comes in and he's just like, hey, how are you?

Hey, great to see you. Hey there. You know, just like – and he made everybody in the room feel like they were the most important person in the room. There was no ego. There was – he was just accessible and friendly and a big smile and had time for everybody.

So, you know, I got to say hello to him and shake his hand but – and then he was gone. But it was a thrill and left feeling like not only is he super talented but he seemed to be like one of the good guys. Nice.

Yes. Yeah. I got myself a pair of AirPods Pro 2 on Prime Day. They were like 50 bucks off and the only AirPods I had were the original AirPods. And the batteries were failing in those so I decided to live a little and bought myself a set of AirPods Pro 2.

I have to say I love them. They are amazing. I don't – do either one of you have any of these? I have AirPods Pro 1s. Yeah, I got the Pro 1s as well. OK. I've never tried the Pro 1s but the noise cancellation on these things is unbelievable.

Like I can be sitting on the couch and my wife can be watching TV. I don't hear the TV at all. I can be taking a walk. It's unnerving. It's so good it's unnerving. Yes. I mean even with the 1s, it's kind of like weird. Yeah. No, it's really weird.

Cars driving by, airplanes flying overhead. And I've had noise-canceling headphones like the Bose and Sony and those sorts of things which work great on an airplane and that sort of thing. But this somehow is just the next level.

The degree to which these adjust on the fly to all kinds of different things is – like you said, Jason, it's a little weird at first. Yeah. And I've got the Bose QC35 IIs. OK. And those are really, really good as well but they're just not as good as – even my AirPods Pro 1s are still better than that.

Yeah. Very impressed with the sound quality. They have way more low-end than I thought they would have. So, yeah. So far, so good. I'm very pleased. I'll include a link to an article here where folks are using them as hearing aids. Yeah. Which I think is really interesting.

Yeah. A lot cheaper. Look better. Yeah. Yeah. And Apple has a lot of that functionality built in. When I got the AirPods, they scan your ears. You hold your phone up to your ear and it takes a picture of your ear and does something to adjust the AirPods to the shape.

And evidently, there are some tests you can take that will also create kind of like your own EQ curve depending on how your hearing responds, which is a hearing aid basically. Yeah. Pretty much.

You know, and I'm at the age where I know my hearing is not perfect anymore. So, I suspect this might be something I'll play with. So, yeah. Really pleased. I have to say, you know, Apple stayed off of Amazon forever and ever and ever. And I kind of understand why.

I picked up a new Apple watch. I upgraded my watch during Prime Day, too, because the deals were so good. Yeah. Like, I'm not sure I would buy an Apple product anymore. I will wait for Prime Day and see what they've got. And if it's one of the things I want, that's what I'll buy because the deals were phenomenal.

Right. Right. And Apple is not known for their deep discounts. No. No. They're the company who will sell a six-year-old Mac Pro for the same price they sold it at when it was introduced, you know. The irony is they just got fined in Spain this week for the Amazon-Apple deal for running the store, not letting in, was it, verified sellers onto the platform.

So, enjoy it while you can. I will. I did. Yeah, there you go. So, I want to close with a quote that I saw this week, and I'm not going to have it exactly right, and I regret that I didn't – when I saw it, it came and went. It sort of flowed by through social media, and I didn't capture who said it, so I apologize for not being able to give it proper credit.

But someone was talking about Gen Xers, which the three of us are, and they said Gen Xers were 30 when they turned 10, and now that they're in their 50s, they are still 30. True. I think that is dead-on accurate.

I would say 20. No. I'm more like 20. Well, you guys are adults. Okay, yes, you. Me. Yeah, okay. I'm still 13, so it's okay. Yeah. Yeah, but I think this is dead-on accurate. Yeah, you got a little Benjamin Buttons going on for you, Jason. You're aging backwards.

Yeah. Right. But I feel like we all – we grew up quickly because – Latchkey kids. We were latchkey kids. We were self-sufficient. Sparrow. But now – yeah, but now that we're in our 50s, we're still acting as though we're in our 30s.

Cargo shorts, T-shirts, AirPods in. Right, right. It's exactly what we're wearing. Fuck off. Yeah, playing – yeah, exactly. We refuse to grow up. Yeah. Yeah. Why? I'm okay with that. Yeah. What am I going to do? Get a bowler hat and wear that around town with a cane?

Like, I'm comfortable in my cargo shorts and T-shirt. Yes, yes. Yeah, I was in the grocery store earlier this week, and I saw a gentleman walking around pushing a cart, and he had a three-piece suit on. And I went, wah! Wow. Like, you just don't see people dressed that formally anymore.

I have to be honest. I don't know if I've ever owned a three-piece suit, ever. I did when I was, like, 10 to go to church in. Right, but then you turned 30 immediately and got rid of it. Exactly. Burned my ties. I've never had a three-piece suit, no.

I own a tuxedo, which I think is pretty grown-up of me. That's pretty fancy, Dave. Yeah. I've got to say, yeah. But here's the deal. You wear your Stormtrooper helmet when you wear your tuxedo, so come on. That's right. That's true. That's right. Well, the thing is, I do enough emceeing that it makes sense for me to – it's actually sensible for me to have a tuxedo.

That's true. All right. That quote was definitely going around. I saw it multiple times, and, yeah, it resonates big time. Yeah. So, yes. Agreed. Yeah. They nailed it. Yep. All right, guys. I will see you next time.

Take care. All righty. Bye. Closing shout-outs. Over at Patreon, we've got Roman. Welcome, Roman. Yeah. How's life going after secession? Yeah, really, man. Still at the bar? Yeah. Having a few drinks? Well, he's obviously got enough scratch to help us out, so appreciate it.

No, he's a multimillionaire no matter what. So, there you go. Over at PayPal, we've got Dag, Blake Bowling, Ramsey, Andrew, Mike, Tom, Joseph, Gabriel, who gave us $21.12. That might be a rush shout-out, perhaps. Nathaniel and Brian. Thank you all so much. And over at Stripe, we've got Sean, Karen, and Roman again, because Roman does have – He's drunk at the bar.

He's drunk at the bar. He's sending us money. Yeah, toss us another $40 on the tip jar. So, thank you, Roman. Thank you. And now, reviews this week. Unless you count all the Cialis reviews on the website. We've got lots of those. Yeah, our pod page site is stuck about 20 years ago in terms of CAPTCHAs and things like that, apparently.

Or the bots are just getting smarter. Or Elon's very bored. AI, man. It's all about the AI. Yeah. Well, until next time, I'm Brian Schulmeister. And I'm Jason DeFillippo. Thanks for listening to Grumpy Old Geeks. Show notes and links to everything we talked about today are at GOG.show slash 610.

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But hey, I don't even have that. What am I talking about? I'm single. Oh, Jesus. We need ads for Tinder, apparently. Seriously? Come on. Do people still use Tinder? What are the kids on these days? I have no idea.

I have no idea. The kids are out at the bar because social media sucks. Okay, good. Who knows? Back to reality. I don't know if you've read the news. Nobody's screwing anymore. So that's where it's at. More screwing for me. There you go. Oh, wait. It doesn't work that way. No, it doesn't work that way, unfortunately.

It is not a zero-sum game. Stay grumpy. I'm going to pick it all up. Look, you hear what I found. There's some screwing on the ground. Best outro ever.

Go ahead. Go, go. I've got to go home now and cry.

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