43: The Gloves Are Off

All right!

Grumpy old geeks. Two old farts, a microphone, and the internet. What could go wrong? Gung-ho, fat boy. I mean, gong-hi, fat choy. I don't even know how to pronounce it right. Happy Chinese New Year, man. Ah, Year of the Horse. The Year of the Horse, that's correct.

I saw your little post this morning about being the Brony, the Year of the Brony. Yeah, yeah. I thought that was a little bit amusing. So did a couple other people, but not quite the response I was hoping for, except for your Photoshop job, thanks. We'll put that in the show notes, by the way, for sure. Every time I hear Brony, I think of The Rock, like when he was back in the WWF, before it became the WWE, the jabronies, you know.

Good stuff. So, how's your week been, Jason? My week? Jesus Christ. My week has been insane. I'm leaving in two days for Los Angeles. My leg is still, like, sore. I've been busting my ass with work. I don't know. Normal, I guess. I guess that's what we call a normal week.

Okay. That's cool. And it's been negative 30 here, so. Ah, yes. Well, good time to get out of there, then. Now, tell me about your week, because I want to hear about your week.

I have had a very insane work week. I was ready to go off on a big spiel about it on this podcast, but some things have come into play that have made it kind of acceptable, and I realized that, much like the first three to four podcasts we recorded, I couldn't say any of this stuff without there being legal repercussions or other items.

I would like to just throw it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So, you mean you got paid? I did finally get paid, yes. You got paid. I got paid, so everything is much better. I did have one question I wanted to throw out to the general community at large, because I'd imagine quite a few people that listen to our podcast are probably independent contractors or run their own show or things of that nature.

What is a nice way – actually, you know what? Scratch the nice. Let's go for – what's an effective way? Fuck nice. Who cares? What's an effective way to inform your client that they're blowing all their budget arguing with you about the budget? Send them a bill for the budget arguing.

Yeah. I mean, the reality is you get on the phone with me. I'm charging you. That's consulting. If you spend three and a half weeks back and forthing with me about budgets, that's your budget. Yep. You just blew two grand arguing with me about the two grand I was asking you for.

And the fact that it's a two grand budget means you're nickel and diamond. Exactly. It's not even worth it. Like, just scrap the client. Exactly. Get paid and scrap the client. That stuff is just starting to come more and more clear as I get older and older and more and more tired of this bullshit. So here's the part that I cared about with your week.

You posted a picture on Facebook with you and the woman that played Korra from Tron. As a person who plays the Tron video game every day, I'm like – because you posted her name and I'm like, who the hell is that? So I IMDBed her and they came up and she was Korra on Tron. And I'm like, that's that little whore that has the really tough shot that I can't get to on the damn game.

Yeah, it's funny. You wrote – or you're with Korra and I was like, who the fuck is Korra? I didn't know the character name. I mean, I watched the Tron movie, but I didn't – it didn't stick in my brain enough to even think about her. She's the hot one in the hot pants with the black hair.

Well, her name is Olivia Wilde and she's been in quite a few things. Very good actress. It's actually an older picture. It got brought up during the week for some reason. I can't remember why. And I just reposted it. It was a year or two ago and it was backstage over at Jimmy Kimmel Live when one of the bands I was working with was playing and she happened to be there.

And I was walking down the hall and she was irresistibly attracted to me and asked to take a photo with me. So it's fairly easy for me to go figure out when she was on and all that. So what band was playing? It was – the Goo Goo Dolls actually were on. Oh, cool. Okay. That particular time.

I've been there for almost every – If you're in the industry and you're here in L.A., you know Kimmel is the show to go to. Like going to Leno or anything like that is no fun at all. The Jimmy Kimmel Show has an open bar and some of the best appies just sitting around in that green room. It's amazing.

So much fun. Well, he comes from the man show so you expect that. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I go by there a lot when – like during the day when I'm in that part of town and I always see them setting up the stage and I'm like, oh, I wonder who's going to be here tonight. I should come back. And then I end up never coming back.

It happens. He does a good show. I got to give it to him. I don't watch any of the late night shows. If I did, I would probably watch his. I used to watch Letterman religiously back in college, but that was 20 years ago now. I don't care about any of them. Craig Ferguson is my go-to guy.

He's fucking hilarious. He's Scottish and hilarious. Kimmel, I got stuck watching because I was at my mom's and she watched it every night. So I kind of got into it for a bit. But digress. Okay. Question of the photo answered. I'll have to put that in the show notes too if you don't mind.

Of course. By all means. I don't mind. All right. Everybody can see my lovely visage. Let's get to some follow-up. All right. You had a little rant about some Instapaper action. I actually don't have a rant at all. It's just Instapaper is one of those things that you had been telling me for years I should start using.

You love Instapaper. God, why aren't you using Instapaper? And when I finally did this whole Mac changeover thing, I just went, all right, let's start using Instapaper. And I'm thoroughly addicted to it. I find it helps my workflow so much. I mean, it's perfect for this podcast because no matter what device I'm sitting around on, if somebody sends me a link or I stumble across something and I think it's really interesting, boom, right into Instapaper.

And then as we're setting up for the show and we put our show notes together, I just have Instapaper and our show notes up and I just start moving things back and forth. It's absolutely fantastic. The one thing I wish it had, and I know you're going to say this is just meant for this purpose and this is not a Swiss Army knife.

I'm not asking for a Swiss Army knife app, but I have a thought or two about these things as I'm putting them in. And I just want to be able to dash in, remember to think about this, remember to ask Jason about this, or just make one little text file in with all the Instapapers.

Say I go off on a tangent and I just go, note to self, in that same Instapaper app, I want to find out about this and be sure to ask about this. It would make the app perfect. Okay. Well, it's not perfect, but I'm going to tell you how to do it because this is how I do it.

First, get a Pinboard account because you have to have a Pinboard account. This is where I keep all my stuff. I read it in Instapaper and then I shuffle it to Pinboard if it's worthy. When you shuffle it to Pinboard from Instapaper, if you're using the app, there's a description field so you can put in notes.

So that's where my notes go when it gets shuffled up the ladder to Pinboard. And also, Pinboard is just great because there's like a Google widget or whatever. So I can save to Instapaper or Pinboard right from my browser. If it's something I need to research, I send it to Instapaper. And then if it's good enough, then I, from the app later, because I never read Instapaper in the browser.

I always read it either on my iPhone or my iPad, then it gets shuffled up to Pinboard. Pinboard is basically where everything that is going to go in the show notes resides, period. And when I do that shuffle up, I will often make my own notes there. So that's kind of the workflow you should kind of look for.

And a Pinboard account will cost you like $10 and it's for a lifetime and it's worth it. It's the delicious of the now. Gotcha. You just upped my workflow a little bit and made it cost me money and it means it'll be like another seven months before I get there. It's a fucking write-off. Just pay for it, you cheap-ass bitch.

Jesus. Well, anyways, you see what I'm saying with Instapaper. If it did have just that little tiny ability, it would be so much more effective. Yeah, but that's not what it's for. Okay. You know? Yes. And speaking of, let me just go ahead and mention this now because one of the other things that I had finally done listening to you, finally, when I switched over to the Mac, was I went ahead and got 1Password running on everything, switched all my passwords, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago when we talked about it, the one downside to that was the 1Password browser extensions for Windows were not working yet for the latest update. 3.0, I believe, the 3X version. Four. It's actually four. It's on four now. Sorry. So I couldn't basically use it on my PC at all, which kind of screwed me because I'm still bouncing back and forth.

I'm not 100% Mac. I probably never will be because the reality is I still want to look at things on PC and I'm very comfortable with PC for a lot of things. Anyways, long story short, they are finally now working. So it's a beautiful thing. I have absolutely no problem accessing any site, any password, anywhere.

Bouncing between Mac, PC, iOS, doesn't matter. All right. Perfect. Everybody go out and buy 1Password. Everybody go use 1Password. It is amazing. And it's a little bit of a pain in the ass to set it up. It's going to take you a little bit of time, but your life will be easy and you will be secure and you will never get hacked again.

And go and do the password auditing stuff where it will tell you how many times you use the same password on multiple sites. That's an eye-opener. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling the public to do it. Well, I mean, I have really switched every single password over to something random now.

So it's all good. I'm not doing that stuff anymore. A bit more follow-up. And once again, I think somebody over at Lifehacker is listening to us because it's the third or fourth time that after we've gone into a topic on our podcast, it appears as one of their big articles. They did an article about Beats by Dre headphones, which we will have in our show notes.

Are Beats by Dre headphones any good? As I said two weeks ago, no. You don't need to read the article. Now, okay. Here's my problem with this article. It should be, we don't got the beat. You know, that's my inner go-go is coming out. There's got to be, there's something, you got to have something with the beats and go-go's.

Lifehacker is not really, really big on the humor. They're not very funny over there. Maybe they need to... Lifehacking is not humorous. Maybe they need to... It's serious business. Poach a writer from The Onion or something. Or us. Hire us. We'll write you, we'll write an article over there. We'll guest article over at Lifehacker. Well, you can't fuck them.

I'm out. I am not, I'm not going to take your, your, your pittance over at Lifehacker for that. We think they have to do like 20 articles a day. Something like that, yeah. It's ridiculous. They don't get paid very much, if at all. Now, here's my follow-up. We talked about the new Crystal Method album.

And I think I put in my show notes, I think it should be called The Crystal Method. It was, it really wasn't great. It's, it's, it's decent, but it is not like up to snuff like the old Crystal Method. That's all I'm going to say. I don't want to go into a huge electronica, like, you know, throw down.

Oh, I'm not going to debate that at all with you. It's not a classic album by them, by any means. I look at it as a, as a flower in the desert, Jason. There's not a lot of good new music out. And I was getting really upset with myself for not listening to anything that was like pre-2010 recently.

So when this came out and I listened to it and I went, hey, this isn't bad. It's not bad. It's your electronica methadone is what it is. It's weaning you off the heroin of the 90s and 80s. Exactly. Mostly 90s. Yeah. Okay. And the fact that I was scrolling down and it said, like, featuring Leanne Rimes, I'm just like, what the fuck?

Well, I mean, that's what, that's the game that you have to play now, right? It's, nobody is immune to that. I mean, Avicii and all those guys, they're doing songs with Rihanna's and you just, you draw your names in to get, you know, get other people to listen and hopefully get some impulse buys or plays on, on subscription services, whatever.

Or get them to come be a guest on your podcast and hope they'll link to you. It's the same thing. That is exactly where I was heading. It is classic cross promotion. It's not as if we're not immune to the same kind of behavior. Okay. You did actually mention a little bit about Rdio and the streaming services, so.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. So here's the deal. Rdio has been moving into this recommendation side of things where it's like taking, it used to be my collections were at the top of the menu. Now I have to scroll to the bottom. I think they're under help now, like even at the very bottom, because they're trying to push me into the recommendation side of things where they tell me what they want me to listen to, right?

Because they've got deals with people to get X amount of listens, to get the exclusives to be on Rdio. That's how I'm guessing this works. Anyway, I mean, it's just driving me nuts, but what is the real, like, you know, is that how they're getting paid?

Are they getting paid by the labels to tell me what to listen to? What do you think? Yes and no. I mean, Beats, Beats, the competitor, I mean, their whole entire. Their service is based on recommendation engines. They want, they are going to that exclusively.

Rdio and Spotify are both heading that way. Obviously, of course, there's sponsored content and there's connecting things together and, you know, there'll be recommendations. And is it even, but is it even sponsored? Is it just like, hey, we need, we need you to promise us this many views to give you the contract to have our songs on your service?

And this is like their desperate move to push it up the, push the, the, the boulder up the hill to get that many views, you know? Yeah. I mean, that sort of stuff is definitely going on. I'm not going to deny that or, or confirm it either way, but. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I forgot you have, you have professional issues there.

Yeah. There's some professional issues with there, but I mean, would we be surprised? Are we not seeing this with, with other industries? Is this not happening in Amazon's recommendation engines? Is this not happening with anywhere? Well, let me, let me hearken back to the old days, what we used to call in the business payola.

Yes. Where, where music labels would pay radio stations to play their music and it was illegal and, but it also went to jail and it never went away and it's alive and well, let's just leave it at that. I understand that, but why is nobody, you know, why don't, why do we not have the thought police out there, uh, dealing with this kind of issue?

You know, why is it not regulated? It's because it's the music industry and, um, what industry exactly what industry, I mean, everybody is so in bed with everybody else. And the only people that would actually complain or like people like artists who would go, well, why am I not, why am I not getting this?

Why is this happening? Why is this artist being promoted over me? Why is my song not getting as many plays as this person when my song is clearly so much better? Um, but they're artists, they're not the managers and they're not the, you know, they're not the lawyers and lawyers and the managers and the record labels are all the ones going out to dinner on the artist's dime.

And, uh, you know, it's collusion. It's, it's, it's a game. It's always been a game. Now, uh, coming back to that, I found this site this week that I just thought was genius. It's called Forgotify. Have you seen it? Did you check it out? I did load it up. I think it's hilarious as a concept.

I think it's ultimately useless. Oh, completely useless. But it's funny. So here's the, four million songs on Spotify have never been played. Not even once. Let's change that. Well, maybe they just kind of suck. Well, yeah, I, uh, it, it basically, if you go to the site, it'll just bring up a random song that has zero plays on Spotify.

And, uh, I did it for about 10 minutes, not listening to entire songs, obviously, but I was just like, yep, yep, yep. Nope. Nope. Nope. I mean, there's no doubt that there's a lot of songs on Spotify and there's a lot of songs in the world that will probably never be heard by a single human being again. There's a lot of fucking songs out there.

A lot of them aren't very good. They certainly aren't going to be, you know, in the kind of genre that you specifically like. This is a complete random pull, but it's funny. I like it. It's funny. It's cute. You know, it's like, yeah, it's a, it's a way to make fun of the long tail, I guess. I mean, the, the one thing that I find really frustrating and I think that you do as well, because I think you had mentioned something along the lines of, uh, you know, where, is there any streaming service that kind of almost has more of a catalog format than a recommendation format?

I think that's just us being old. We grew up, you know, we would have, I, I meticulously organized my, my CDs by artists and then by, you know, chronologically within artists. And I also separated out bootlegs from official releases and I had my singles separated out.

And that is how I like to browse music, like going to tower records and, and, you know, but the kids, these that's gone, man, they like this recommendation stuff and they don't want to hear a whole artist's album. They just want to hear a song or two move on. So I think, you know, maybe, maybe here's another business idea from the grumpy old geeks.

There's a lot of old people out there that actually pay for music that would like a streaming service that had more of a catalog selection. Well, I go with iTunes match on that. I just wish they'd up their 25,000 song limit. Oh, I know you, you, uh, recommended it to me. I can't use it. I have over 60,000 songs in my iTunes collection.

Oof. I'm not, I'm never going to be able to use iTunes match. No, that's too bad. Yeah. Cause I, yeah, I mean, that works perfectly for me because everything for me is cataloged by genre and whatever. I mean, this comes with just having so much content that we, I mean, we didn't, we never had this much content growing up.

I mean, we had, there were like six new albums a week. Now we've got 6,000 new albums a week. So, you know, it, I guess it does change with the times with needing a recommendation engine to just even be able to see a sliver of the iceberg before it runs into the Titanic. You know, I actually think, I mean, I've been using the, um, I've been using Spotify to basically listen to music.

And what I think I'm going to do because of the coming, you know, bandwidth apocalypse that I keep screaming about is I'm going to go back to what I originally wanted to do, which is I'll use Spotify to give new albums a chance, new artists, a chance, listen to them a few times. If I really like it, I'm going to buy it and just keep my iTunes collection going.

There you go. Actual physical hosted on a drive sitting right here that I back up regularly. I don't have to stream collection. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. So that's about all. That's about all I got this week. So let's, uh, let's move along. Let's move along. No, seriously.

Are you shitting me? So Jason, I know you pretty well, right? I think so. Known each other, what, almost 20 years now, if not more? I think about 19. Yeah, 19. And you know, some lost years in there, but we always seem to reconnect. And I think I got a pretty good beat on you, right?

Sometimes. Yeah. So there's a little bit of follow-up that we didn't touch on in our follow-up section. Um, having known you so well and have, having basically had three people that you really respect and like on the show last week, uh, to do a personal therapy session for you. I'm willing to bet you said, fuck it to every single thing we told you to do.

I think I did because you were completely fucking wrong. I knew it. Well, here's the deal. And this has come, this has come to me from several people who have listened to the show last week. They're like, those guys are assholes.

They're not your friends. Just out of the blue. It's just like, wow, they were, they were pretty damn mean to you. And the first thing is like, oh dude, he just needs to get laid. Well, uh, no, covered. That's, that's really kind of not an issue. That's why we invented the internet in the first place.

What are you talking about? Getting rid of the need to get laid. No, I have physical people in my life that I do things with. Oh, okay. So out of, out of, forget that part. Uh, I think I probably got laid 72 hours before that podcast.

So shut the fuck up. Okay, second, I look like a vagabond. Well, there, yeah, kind of all right. I take that one. I take that one because I'm in the fucking woods and wherever dealing with winter. And now I've got a haircut. I look coiffed because I'm coming back to LA and I know you vapid superficial fucks need me to look pretty when I walk down the street.

So I'm ready for you now. Got, got my wardrobe ready. Got my shoes shined. I'm ready to go. I've been cutting wood for six months. So guess what? I'm allowed to look like Grizzly Adams. Is that a euphemism for something? What is? Cutting wood for six months. No, I was cutting down trees. Oh, okay.

I have pictures. I will post pictures in the show notes of me cutting down fucking trees. So there. And, and it was just disrespectful and it, you missed the whole point. The point was I'm turning 42, which means that, uh, retirement is coming closer. So should I settle down and start a retirement plan?

And so I'm not alone and broke when I hit 70. I can be alone and rich when I'm 70 and be happy. But do you know, there's, there's a, there's a balance there between do I need to like, you know, settle down with someone just for companionship and fiscal responsibility, which is, you know, that goes hand in hand or, you know, do I settle down to start building a nest egg type of thing?

And I was so tired last week because I had a fucking broken goddamn leg and had slept two hours a day for the past week. So I was a little not, uh, not there. So yes, I am a little peeved about, uh, the way that your advice segment, the ask, ask the douchebags went.

So yes, there. Okay. Well, in your own defense, you were, you were tired and messed up, but, uh, the way you presented your argument didn't have anything to do with those things. And yes, um, you're in your forties. If, if you want to settle down, it's time.

Uh, I wouldn't settle to settle down, actually find somebody that you like, like, don't do it because you're worried about being alone and don't do it because you're worried about financial situations. Yeah. If you do this, you have to live with this person and you have to like them. Otherwise it's going to be a divorce and all those plans go away anyways.

Yeah. Yeah. No, there's, there's plenty of people I've met that I love that I would love to settle down with. That's not the whole point of it. And to be fair, you didn't do the doctor thing either. Um, anyway, and I, and guess what? My leg is fine. Okay. Fuck off there too. All right. So, uh, I was actually thinking a bit about that session.

Um, cause I, I personally didn't bag in on you too much about, about that sort of stuff. I was trying to stay somewhat on topic in terms of where you move and what you were going to do with your career and all that sort of thing. Um, and I ran into an article that I've been thinking about in my own life for a while now about how things change over time.

Um, about how, you know, we, you and I definitely used to live to work. That was, we enjoyed it. We loved it. We were working 24 seven. It wasn't even work to us. It was fun, but we're getting older now and it's not the same thing anymore. Um, and there was this great article I read about how doing what you love may seem great when you're younger, but it really can ruin your passions for you.

Um, there, it brings to mind that saying, you know, you never want to see how the sausage is made. I certainly feel that way about music. I love the music industry. I was thrilled to get into it. I've been working within the music industry, you know, for 20 years now. I hate music now.

Yeah. Um, so there's something about that. And, and although there's to the counterpoint of that, there's the old saying, that, you know, if you do what you, if you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life. That is so that's the counterpoint. That's, that's bullshit. That's a lie. You have, you have demyth the five.

That is a complete and utter lie. Um, and I was thinking it a lot because I have a lot of friends that are in different parts of their lives, different age groups. I, I, I really have a wide breadth. Uh, I'm friends with people that are really, you know, early twenties, just starting out. I'm friends with people, sixties, seventies, thinking about getting out of the game.

Um, and my little pearl of knowledge that I'm going to share from what I've gleaned from all these people, you're going to drop, you're going to drop the knowledge. I'm going to drop a little knowledge. Most of the older people I know that are happy have found a job that pays the bills and meets a lifestyle they're comfortable with, but they're not all that into it.

They clock out when they're done. It's not a lifestyle for them. They do it to be able to afford what they do when they stop working and have their own lifestyle, their own passions, pursue family, whatever they want. Most older people I know that are miserable are still chasing that dragon.

Yeah. I, I, I 100, actually 100% agree. 110% agree. Um, no, it's true. I, it's, it's one of those things where it's, yeah, I do what I do because I, I, and here's the, here's the problem I think with you dismissing the, the quote that I so eloquently stated a moment ago, um, just out of hand is that I am happy doing what I love, which is doing internet work, computer stuff, building websites.

The problem comes in when you introduce other people. And I think if you just were sitting around making music, you would be happier than a pig in shit, but there are other people involved. And this is an ongoing argument. And I have also a counterpoint, which is the fact that, um, it's a pretty well established psychological fact that we basically change ourselves and our personalities every eight years.

So whatever we really loved and got into eight years ago is probably not the same thing. Yeah. You and I both like computer stuff. We like building things. We like coding. But I, again, I stand by the fact that there's just no way within a 40 year career, even probably longer now, because we basically keep extending retirement and we have to keep moving on.

There's just no way you're, you're, it's going to feel like a dream every single day, no matter what it is, your passion is that you end up working people. You get burnt out doing the same thing all the time. And like you said, it's nobody exists in a bubble. It's those other assholes. They're going to fuck it up for you and you have to work with them.

End of story. I got in a fight or not a fight. I got in a very big discussion with my business partner, uh, this week. And she said something along the lines of, we should be doing whatever we want. And I looked at her and I said, yes, we should, but then we will also be homeless. Yeah.

Yes. I can masturbate to the magazines I want all day long, but guess what? Yeah. I will be doing it in a refrigerator box on Santa Monica Boulevard. You know, the people who are doing whatever they want, they're the homeless down on Sunset Boulevard. Yeah. And, and you, you only, there's a very, there's a very steep arc where you, where you start off doing things that you don't want to do.

Then you start doing things that you do want to do and your happiness like peaks and that, that arc peaks really fast. And then after that, it's a straight drop to way below where you were before. Yeah. Which brings to mind one of the other charts that we talked about, the happiness versus financial success chart, where you, you hit a peak and then you keep being even more successful, but your happiness starts to drop.

Well, yeah, I mean, it's a $70,000 rule, you know, it's, if what they determined was what we call the $150,000 rule in San Francisco or LA. Well, I'm coming back to LA and I'm, I'm telling you right now, I'm making a hell of all less, a hell of a lot less than $70,000.

So this year, so I will, I will report back. Uh, yeah, but here's the deal. Yes. Chasing that, that dream of being the gazillionaire entrepreneur, the new Mark fuckerberg or whatever ain't going to happen to me.

I'm 42. I'm past my prime, but here's the other thing that, that gives me giant hope in a lot of things that, that, that I think that people just forget about Anthony Bourdain, one of my favorite television people, do you know how old he was when he wrote that goddamn book that made him into the sensation that he is today?

That was why I was about to say, there's no way you're past your peak. It depends on what you're talking about. Yeah, exactly. 44. I got two years in me before he even got to it. If you want to be. No, wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. My friend, Doc Searles, who wrote the Cluetrain Manifesto, he was a coauthor on the Cluetrain Manifesto. He wrote a great tweet, like, and this was probably 10 years ago, or, well, not 10 because Twitter hasn't been around that long, five years ago on Twitter.

He's like, everything you know me for, I did since I was 50 years old. You know, there is, there are the ebbs and flows of life and things change, but that's if you want to be famous. I don't want to be famous. I just want to be happy. So with that said, what I'm doing is coming back to Los Angeles to get my job on and figure out what the next stage is, because the one thing, the one bit of good advice that I got from you guys is, you know what, just go do what you, I've set the baseline for my lifestyle.

I can be a nomadic, techno, crazy weenie guy, you know? So I'm going back to LA for a while, and from there, I'm going to set, you know, going to get my jobs in order, going to get everything in order, and from there, who the fuck knows?

So that part, I think Jordan kind of nailed it with that. He's just like, you know, why the hell are you in the US? Why are you doing this stuff? You've got the lifestyle kind of sorted. So stick with the lifestyle, and then figure the rest out. So that's what I'm going to do. So I give points, out of all of the shit advice you guys all gave me, I'm going to go with Jordan as getting the point for the round.

Fair enough. And you may say you stayed out of it, but I challenge you to go back and listen to it, and you were kind of a dick. We are supposed to be doing a funny podcast, Jason. It was funny. Exactly my point.

So take it with a grain of salt and stop being such a pussy like you always tell me. Oh, you want to talk about being a bitch? All right. Leave it on. Comment of the week. Oh, God. Click. Done. Comment of the week.

I'd like to give a shout-out to our friend Mike Tamal. I believe it's Tamal, who dropped us some coin on tugboatyards.com slash GOG. Thank you. Thank you very much. Greatly appreciated. And Mike sent us a comment on Facebook this week as well. So he wrote, Back in the early episodes, you were looking into online schools and colleges.

Check out this Reddit thread on MyMathLab. And when I first read this, I thought it said MyMathLab. That's all I could think about. Breaking bad. And I went and read it, and it's fucking hilarious. I'm pulling a fucking there.

So it's fucking hilarious. This guy was an Artemil. As Artemil so eloquently put it, it would be nice if they treated us to dinner beforehand, because we like to be wined and dined when we get fucked. Talking about this one particular service.

And it just goes on and on and on. We'll put it in the show notes. It is genius. I think that there's a massive market for online education. And it could and would be a wonderful thing. But right now, it's just a bunch of shills and hucksters, and it's a complete load of shit out there.

Well, we're going to come back to this in the next segment. So we have some discussion to go there. So I'm glad that he brought this up. I'm really glad that Reddit just kind of literally did a schillinger from Oz and fisted it sans lube, as they say. Very nice.

And thanks again for the support. It really means a lot. And we love when you guys reach out and talk to us and tell us what you think. Okay. And we also, in the package that Mike bought, he gets his own plug. And you can have one, too.

So, Brian, would you like to take over the plug? Sure. After much soul-searching, I would like you guys to plug kerbalspaceprogram.com. And we'll have that in the show notes as well and a direct link. It's a really cool rocket flight simulator thing. Loads of explosions and stuff.

And, you know, grumpy old geeks love explosions. Keep up the good work. I enjoy listening to the podcast, and I like how it's growing over time. Mike. Mike, there you go, man. Kerbal Space Program. I don't know what these kerbals are, but they're very strange. Yeah. I'm looking at the website.

We'll definitely check it out. I've got to say that flight simulators have come a long way since the last one I played when I was 12. And it was just vector graphics. Dude, I plugged one a couple episodes ago, that flight simulator, or the space shuttle lander.

Oh, man. You do know I ignore every single game recommendation you ever make, except for Plants vs. Zombies. I think you pretty much ignore everything I say, so that's okay. Hey, it's the paper, man.

In the news. This isn't actually a techie news item, but it kind of comes back to the general fuck-uppedness of humanity that we talk about sometimes on the show. Yeah, yeah. This is – in Salt Lake City, what happened was there's a school where apparently a lot of kids have parents who don't pay their bills for their lunches.

So the school gave the kids the lunches because they couldn't figure out like how to like mark them beforehand and then came around and took them away in front of everybody else and gave them a cup of milk in a banana and said, Sorry, kid, your dad sucks.

Here's a milk in a banana, you know? Yeah. I have two thoughts on this one. Well, actually, this comes back to technology in a second, but let me hear your thoughts. My two thoughts are, first off, I firmly believe that we actually need more public shaming in life. I think that we have stopped shaming people.

We have let people run rampant, being complete and utter douchebags, and we don't call people out on it because we don't want to get involved and we don't want to start a fight and we're worried that they're carrying a gun or whatever. We need to shame the fuck out of all the Prius drivers that can't follow any goddamn rules. We need to shame the fuck out of the self-absorbed 30-year-old chick standing in line at Whole Foods talking on her cell phone, holding up the line because she can't be bothered to get off her fucking phone to fucking purchase her goddamn quinoa salad.

We need to start shaming these people and calling them out in public. But you do not shame elementary school kids, and that is bullshit, and whoever did this needs to be fired. Yeah, I wanted to slow your Adam Carolla role there because, you know, you're like one of those Snickers commercials where you get hungry and I give you the Snickers and you turn back into Brian.

Yes, this is – yes, the public shaming part, who gives a fuck about that? That's perfectly fine for adults. You don't publicly shame elementary school kids. Give them the damn food and send them the bill. This isn't publicly shaming elementary school kids. This is fucking emotionally scarring children for life.

Seriously. Because these kids are going to get heckled and – I mean this is not just a one-day thing. It's like, oh, your daddy can't pay the bill, motherfucker. No, this is like years down the line. It's just like, oh, that's milk banana boy over there because it's – Yeah.

No, I agree 100%. It's bullshit. I mean it's Salt Lake City. Isn't – like art – isn't – that's like the homebred of Mormon – what is it? The womb of Mormon fundamentalism or whatever the fuck it is, can't they just go into their golden book and find some Fritos for the kids?

What the fuck? It's just ridiculous. It is 100%. So it wasn't tech news but on the tech side of it, why could they not tag these kids technologically and say, OK, Joe, Mike and Sue over there, they didn't pay their bills. So let's put them in the special line and we'll give them some stuff over here instead of – Give them something a little less.

Just give them something. Don't make them crazy or don't even do that. Do technology. Go back to old school, like 1930s. Put it on my tab. Send them a bill. Give them a note to take home to their dad saying, look, next time we're taking your kid's goddamn food. You know, something else.

Just say we are going to stop feeding your kids in two weeks. You have two weeks to make this right. Done. Don't do what you did. Whoever did this is an idiot. I mean it comes down to what I – it's just a lack of common human decency and I don't like it. I think that it's bullshit and, you know, I mean Utah has got enough problems as it is.

This is not adding to their PR quotient as it were. So on the stranger side of things, next week, ICANN opens up their new general or generic TLDs or general TLDs.

Yeah. Hundreds of them are coming online. Yeah. They're all ridiculous and stupid and none of this matters anyways. It matters a great fucking deal. I'm sorry it does. This is – they're killing a whole economy with this because, I mean, domain speculation has been around for a long time and it is a – there are two ways to look at it.

It can be a speculator's business or it can be a douchebag business. Right. I'm on the speculator side because I have bought and sold probably $100,000 worth of domains in my few years on the internet. The other side are the people that have millions of dollars and buy hundreds of thousands of domains and just park them and sit on them and won't give you a fair price.

And half of my domains that I want back, I can't buy back. But here's the deal. The .com, you know, .com as being the gold standard of domains is getting ready to just be dead. Next week, it's dead, dead, dead.

So if you're going to see a new niche, it's going to be like niche hoarding. You know, I think some of them are like .ski, .sexy, .berlin. So if you live in Berlin, you can go buy everybody's business name .berlin and sit on them and sell them back to them.

And I've already started to get emails because I'm registered – I'm the registered domain name holder for an awful lot of public properties, let's say, bands, whatever. And I've started to get them from like we – are you interested in having band name .berlin?

And otherwise, we're going to take it. And it's frustrating to a certain extent in that I feel that for my bands over the years, I have wasted so much money buying out domain names just so other people couldn't grab them. But Google is starting to kind of sort that problem out because I don't know anybody that actually types into the bar anymore a domain name.

They just go into the Google window and type in the name of whatever. And as long as you're coming up first, you're good. That's so scary to me and we've talked about that before and it just – it makes my little heart weep. I know. It really does. But it really has changed, Jason.

I know you're holding on to this domain name thing. But to me, this story is almost a non-story because I don't know anybody that cares about domain names anymore. And I even tell my clients, don't bother – don't waste your money buying 10,000 domains trying to protect your copyright anymore. Oh, they absolutely should not.

No, there should be one canonical domain name and that should be it. If somebody else is doing it and they're sitting on it and trying to sell like merchandise for your band, you sue them out of existence. And then you get the domain for free and then you 301 redirect to the canonical name. Exactly. That's how that should be. A hundred percent.

But it's just – the fact that generic like popbottle.com will not be a thing anymore because there will be popbottle.everything. Anyway, it's weird. It's very, very weird to me to be – and I'm letting all my stuff go.

I've got 135 domains that I've been hanging on to. And because every year I sell one, which pays for all the other ones to keep for another year. Right. So I'm just letting them all go now. I'm biting the bullet and it's sad. It's sad. It's a lot of lost time and money and heartache.

Well, that is the fate of the prospector, right? You have to know when to get out of the game. I still stand by asspantry.com. I will keep that until the fucking day I die. OK. So moving on to more nobler things. Edward Snowden has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, believe it or not.

I believe it. Why not? Well, apparently a couple of Norwegians have put him up. Two Norwegian politicians have thrown him up for a nomination. Good for him. I believe it's – well, shit, if the guy that can order the drone strikes on weddings in third world countries can get a peace prize without actually doing a goddamn thing.

He showed up, got his hand stamped and got a Nobel Peace Prize. We're talking about the president. Then this guy who actually did something to promote peace on earth, I think he should get one. So there. Yeah, well, my only thought on that – well, two thoughts again.

First off, the Nobel Peace Prize is a political beast, and lots of people have been nominated and won for somewhat tenuous and nebulous reasons and somewhat checkered pasts that were somewhat ignored. My only problem with him being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize is I don't think that this story has played itself out yet.

I think he would probably be a great nominee in about 15 years, depending on how things go and what we find out actually comes from this. I think it's premature. It's too soon. We're not entirely sure where this is going. We are on a seesaw with Snowden and all of the story still at the moment.

Too soon. Nope. Not too soon at all because here's my counterpoint to that. The fact that Obama got one invalidates the entire process. That was – let me finish. That was point one. Yeah, let me – so the fact that Obama got one invalidates the entire process.

If he gets one and the president has one, I'm just looking at this as leverage for him to get immunity coming back to the United States and continuing his life here. Gotcha. That's the only thing. I hope he gets it because it's going to be leverage for him to get his life back.

Yeah. You know? That's it. Agreed. So, Brian, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. So, revenge porn has been in the news a lot. It's basically been made illegal, which I agree with 100%. I think it's ridiculous that people can post pictures up of their ex in compromising positions.

Yeah, especially without a model release. Without a model release, that's copyright infringement. It's impersonation or whatever it is. Sometimes rather acrobatically and impressively, I might add, since I had to do a little research for this article. Would you mind sharing?

Those weren't in the show notes. No, that didn't make the show notes. No, but there was a Tumblr site that came up recently. It was a blog in which it was basically a story of a jilted lover and lots of messages and revenge and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the kind of things that people freak out about with revenge porn.

It was all done on this, and it started to get some traction and was getting a lot of hits. And there were advertisements that were placed in a local paper. And then we found out at the end of all of this that basically it was a joke scam being used to promote a song called My Crazy Girlfriend by the band.

Oh, the band is called My Crazy Girlfriend with the single Go Fuck Yourself. Bullshit. Brought to you by Capital Music Group. Thanks, Capital. Nice job. Actually, I am – I do almost have to give kind of a pained – I'm sad it's come down to this hearty congratulations on a decent viral campaign for a band.

Song sucks though. Whatever. Okay. So hang on. I'm going to – I have two issues about this. And the first one was – I'm adding this in. First off, this comes back to something that you turned me on to, which is the lack of professional quality journalism.

Yeah. Do a command F on this story and search for WOD. That's it. That's all I got to say. Okay. And somebody apparently didn't proofread it. WOD does get past spelling filters. But if you read the article again – I'm one of those guys when I write something, I reread it probably 20 times before it posts because I want to know every word is perfect.

Not so much anymore in the page view journalism scene. So yes, these guys, they did a story on it. It was whatever. And they replaced was for WOD and whatever. It just – it was stupid. But now – hang on.

Let me see. Okay. There we go. Psycho X. There is a song and a book from an old colleague of mine named Andy Preboy who I think we've talked to a couple of times. His story is kind of like what revenge porn was like when we were kids.

There was no revenge porn. It was – the bitch would show up at your house at 2 a.m. with a shotgun. That's the way revenge porn used to work. Or you would spread rumors about getting to third base when really all you did was kind of get to second.

I mean that's the way – that's what it used to be. I know. But it's – this whole global communication thing has totally screwed up breaking up. It's completely fucked it. Yeah. So anyway.

Anyways, it was just an interesting story for me because the more I delve in music industry 20 years, dealing with interns that are working at the management companies and the record labels, or not even interns anymore, 20-somethings who have grown up and now have positions of semi-power, there's going to be a lot more stuff like this used to promote stuff.

And not just music. And it's even somewhat clever. It's incredibly dishonest. But it got the job done. Yeah, it did. That's what I wanted you to take on it to see if you – what side you fell on. I find it abhorrent. And in a perfect world, this wouldn't happen. If the song – wait, wait.

If the song was better, would you find it more palatable? No, no. Now, think about an interesting viral campaign and already you have to go back like – oh, God. When was Nine Inch Nails year zero released? Ten years ago now? That was a great online campaign.

That was all about like he created all these fake websites and it was like transmissions were being made and little audio recordings were hidden and they had clues. That was old transmedia before it was transmedia. Yeah, it was transmedia before transmedia. Now, that is interesting. It's not just latching on to the porn tropes of the day and fuck yourself.

But then again, also – It had class in style and a little bit of – Yeah, class in style, a little bit of interest and some thought went into it. Yeah, yeah. But the same with the music. That's Trent's music versus this piece of shit song, which is horrible. Well, we could – And we've got a story about that later. We're going to stay the fuck away from Trent right now.

Okay, here's the deal. The United States Department of – oh, Jesus. Douchebaggery. I think it was the State Department. Let me pull this up real quick. Department of State, I believe. Oh, Jesus. I should have had this one open already. Anyway, here's the deal.

The U.S. Department of Cum-Sucking Scumbags has decided that there are countries in the world that are not allowed to get education from U.S.-based education companies. Or MOOCs as they call them, massive open online courses.

Based on just geopolitical dick-wagging. So a lot of people that had courses that they were studying on Coursera, which I've taken courses on Coursera before. They were fantastic and they just got knocked out because they live in a place where apparently we think that they should not learn.

What the fuck? I'm sorry. What the fuck is up with that? I actually don't really – I can go either way on this one. It's not an open world yet. It's not a free world yet.

It's not a free internet. It's not a free government. It's not – the world is not your oyster. Everybody does not get access to something. There are countries that we know are trying to bomb the shit out of our entities anywhere that they are. Why are we giving them free courses?

So Cuba, they're trying to bomb the shit out of us, right? No. That's what you're saying. No, but they are – well, they used to be. They used to be considered a hostile government, right or wrong. That's our government's position. Before you were born. Before you were born. I don't argue with that, Jason. I'm just saying that the way that you just explained it is fuck it all.

There's no borders. There's no rules. Everybody should have everything. And I don't agree with that. No, I don't agree with that. When it comes to knowledge, they should. I do not agree with that at all. When it comes to shoes or beer, no, not at all. But when it comes to knowledge, 100%. OK. This is basic stuff.

It's just – no. I mean you have to stand up for something. At this point, it's just like the freedom – everybody should have the right to learn whatever the fuck they want. And if somebody is giving it to you for free, giving you the knowledge for free, then why should there be an intermediary that says, no, you cannot learn that?

Well, I personally don't think knowledge should be free. No. There's somebody giving it to you for free. If they don't want to charge for it and they're giving it to you, take it. Then they're idiots. There's a difference between – there's a big difference there. Right. I like to pay for knowledge but you know what?

If somebody is going to give me some, I'm going to take it. OK. It's like pussy. That's all I'm saying. If you got to pay for it, that's fine. But if somebody is going to give it to you, take it. That's all there is to it. We're in a drinking podcast, ladies and gentlemen. This is just straight up. Jason's on a roll.

I got a whole lot of Iranian black tea in me right now. That's all. That sounded really dirty. Is that a euphemism? That is not a euphemism. I'm sorry. Between you and your fucking cut in wood for six months and the Iranian black men in you. I'm sorry, black tea. The cut in wood was you.

You put some nastiness on that. All right. Moving on. Anyway, so here's the deal. No, no. So to the point, California is trying to regulate code boot camps in the same way that the U.S. State Department is trying to regulate knowledge to third world countries. OK. So now where do you stand on this one?

Well, let me ask you a question about something specifically because – OK. Go ahead. Earlier, we talked a little bit about online education and how shit it is. You know what makes things become not shit? Regulation. OK. So we're basically looking at baby steps taken towards regulating online education and you're saying, no, we can't fucking do that.

But the alternative is we just have all these people out there putting out shit stuff. Let's regulate online education. Why shouldn't it be regulated? There's a difference. There's a difference between paying for it and getting it for free. If somebody is going to give you a course for free, that's different from going to an online school and paying thousands of dollars a year.

I don't understand why there's free online education anyways. We have something called Wikipedia. There you go. That's the entire free online education system. No, it's not. No, not even fucking close. No. You're totally stealing my catchphrase, man. I'm doing my best, man.

Hey, you want to fucking go on the Corolla public shame? I'm going to fucking steal your catchphrase. Fuck yeah. Look, I do think that people, the learning to code boot camps, what the California state has to do with that, I don't understand at all.

I do think this one's complete and utter crap. I'm just talking about the larger issue, which is that I do think that there should be some sort of regulatory body for online education. I do not. I do not personally because – Then we'll always have really shitty online education.

And we're going to have a lot of hucksters and shamsters out there and all the stuff that you and I have already crapped on about ten episodes ago. You're stepping on your own dick right there because we're going to be releasing how to fucking code shit for the rest of the year. So I don't know how you're going to come back from that one.

But our stuff would be solid and I would not fear any kind of regulation about it. Okay. Again, this kind of goes back to the if you have nothing to hide, who cares? Oh, Jesus. Fuck. I can't believe you said that one out. Talk about shitting on your own balls. All right. Moving on. We're going long.

We've got a lot of stuff here. Okay. Flip-a-gram. I really couldn't care less about these guys. They're apparently the new thing. It lets you do Instagram with multiple pictures and a little bit of video. And, yeah, I don't know. It's the – I think we really need to do the shark fin of the week because these guys are the shark fin of the week.

They were on money.cnn.com. We're going to post the video in the show notes where the founder comes out and talks about their business model. I don't know if you watched this, Brian, but it was – I was in tears. I was in tears laughing because he was such a cliche.

I got 30 seconds into it and just shut it down and I was like, these guys are – obviously, he's got somebody on his board or somebody that's a massive investor that's connected. That's the only way they're getting this kind of press. This will last about a month and then it will be gone. By the way, it's not hard to get on CNN because nobody watches CNN anymore.

Good point. Inside, which is a new app from Jason Calacanis, who I've talked about on the show several times I think. His new – I don't know how to kind of put this. It's like Circa.

It's like Trove. It's another aggregated, curated news site with a little button that says, I like this. I don't like this. I like this. I don't like this and that over time, it will give you stuff that you like that you don't like, you know? Yeah, yeah. That's what Circa was supposed to be.

Yeah, yeah. Got it. Got it. Didn't like that either. Don't care. I still get stuff from Circa that comes in okay. This stuff, same thing. This – I think their selling point is they're 300 characters instead of 144. Ooh. Well, we should – I still think that we should do Twatter, which will have 169 characters.

I still own twatbot.com. I haven't let that go. So we have an in. Anyways, this continued app recycling of we take your idea, we make one small tweak to it where the next big thing of the week is just starting to bore the fucking hell out of me. And the thing about this is – I didn't put this in the notes, but Dave Winer really kind of summed this up.

It's like 10 years ago, everybody shit on RSS and they're like news feeds are crap. They're stupid. All of these apps are just recycling an aggregated news feed without – it's stupid.

It's like go by Net Newswire. Get your own news feed. Get your own news. Take back the fucking web. And on a deeper level, I actually have a philosophical issue with the tailored news feed. I think it's important that you see things that you don't necessarily care about.

I think that you should scan headlines of things that you don't give a shit about because it makes you well-rounded. If you get a tailored news feed, you are ignoring half of the world out there. I want to see opinions that I know differ from mine. There is a reason I have Fox News bookmarked.

I do not agree with a goddamn thing on their website, but I want to know what they're thinking. And that's what makes you a well-rounded person. Tailored news feeds are a stupid, horrible, horrible idea. It's homogenization of intellectuality.

Yeah, you fucking live in your own little bubble and forget everything. Yeah, but most people don't want that. Most people don't want to see the rest of the world. They want to be very comfy in their snuggie of news. Well, that's why Fox News is CNN, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Well, the fact that you and I are of the same ilk, we're like, I want to read contrary opinions. I want to know what the hell is going on. I will defend Al Jazeera America until the fucking day I die because I still think they are the best news outlet in the United States right now. If I had to pick one news network to watch, that would be the one by far.

Yeah, and the people like anywhere like to the east of me, they look at me like I've got a fucking beard and whatever and a bomb on my chest. Goddamn Al Jazeera. Yeah, whatever. Anyway, so I do – so far, I've tried indie.

It's okay. It's the same as Trove. It's the same as Circa. My thing, get a news reader app and do your thing and have your own news. Seriously, don't deal with these guys. You don't even need to get an app. If you're on your browser, make a set of bookmarks.

Bring up Slate, Salon, CNN, Al Jazeera, Fox News, Huffington Post, blah, blah, blah, blah. Five more. Even USA Today, why not? And just scan their headlines. USA Today, tomorrow, the world. USA Today, by the way, if you really think about it, is a precursor to what the internet has become, bite-sized little chunks of bullshit.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus. Okay, so moving on. Moving on. Let's wrap this one up. I got to – this is a long second. The Rise of the Insect Drones is a completely crazy article on pop science. I did not know that they could make drones this small.

Unbelievable. Amazing. It's fucking, fucking incredible. And terrifying, by the way, when you really start to think about what the army is going to do with this sort of stuff. Oh, no. Or not even the army. Just like one guy in a basement that's pissed off at everyone.

No, this is like assassination on demand. Yeah. It's crazy how small they can make these things. You put a little dab of neurotoxin on one of these mofos. Yeah. Get a DNA sniffer on it. It's – I mean, boom. We're talking sci-fi novel of the week at that point. And speaking of sci-fi novel of the week, Google is now finally getting into smart contacts.

I knew this was coming. I knew this was coming years and years and years ago when they were doing the huds. It's like – I figured, why are they even going with the glasses? I thought they'd go straight to this personally. Contacts are tough. Contacts are tough. We didn't have the wireless technology. And also the wireless technology with the radiation to the eyeball.

I always thought that there would be – it would be a contact with a trailing fiber optic to a frame that would then go into another unit. But these guys are just going straight to the contact and props to them with the – hoping to have the LED like if you're a diabetic and your blood sugar goes low.

It's just – your eyes turn red, which could be kind of scary. It's just like Hulk mad. You see everything red. I don't know. There's a lot of news this week and – A lot of news this week. And we just kind of – yeah. I would talk about the smart contact lens project for about an hour if we could.

But we're busy right now. We've got more stuff to do here. All right. Moving on. Moving on. Go pee, Brian. I'll be back.

So this isn't so much about Kickstarter. It's about their competition. Indiegogo gets a whopping $40 million in VC funds from Kleiner Perkins, the super powerhouse VC fund up there in the valley.

I don't know why they need $40 million. I really don't. But apparently there's something I'm missing. What it shows to me is that crowdfunding is very profitable for the people that facilitate it, not necessarily so much for everybody else.

I think it's profitable for a lot of people. I just don't think it's profitable for the people who give the Kickstartered and crowdfunded people money. Yeah. I mean like I said – It's basically – As the old Jim Croce song would say, it's a pissing in the wind.

Yeah, I think that we've kind of hit the max peak on this sort of stuff. I think everybody is starting to come around to the idea that crowdfunding is great for small artistic little projects done out of your basement that are never meant to make you millions of dollars.

And that's what it's for and that's what it's great for. And I love the fact that it exists for that. I would 100 percent – 1,000 percent disagree because if Kleiner Perkins is putting $40 million into Indiegogo, there's an angle that they're coming at.

And it's probably a bigger angle than the schmuck in the basement with the yarn and the needles. They're shooting to be eBay before the product exists. I mean that's really – if they want to control the entire industry and there's a lot of money to be made from small pennies here and there.

It's going to be a profitable industry always, especially if you're the one that's skimming off the top of everything. I think it's almost like the new PayPal. Like they're the payment facilitators. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Exactly. So there's money in that and this – like I said, crowdfunding is never going to go away.

It has its purpose and it has its purpose and there's a vast market for it. Everybody that actually has a real job, that has a dream of a better broom or whatever the hell they want to do, they're going to go to whatever big game in town there is and these guys are going to skim 10, 15, 20 percent off the top.

So it's a massive market and I'm not surprised by this at all. These as-seen-on-TV guys should be quaking in their boots right now. Well, yeah, they're the ones that are going to go out of business. This is the new model. Yeah. Oh, man. So I'm going to call this Tempest in a Teapot of the Week.

So these guys are trying to recreate the Sinclair ZX Spectrum, which I have no fucking idea what that thing is. I had to Google it. Yeah, it looked – it's like an old computer thingy, whatever. But apparently this is another – it came from Reddit.

Actually, it came from Hacker News. I found this one on Hacker News. The old developers who worked for these guys – it's a company called Elite Systems LTD Limited. Right. Have not been paying their developers or their licensees or licensors or whichever they call them.

Hey, guys. It's right there in the name. It says – They said limited. Limited, yeah. You're going to get limited results. We're elitely limited. So, yeah, they haven't been paying anybody. So there's a huge backlash coming out and the comments are kind of funny.

But I'm going to pull it up right now because it's coming to a close soon. Oh, 60 minutes to go. Oh, boy. And this morning – so they're looking for – oh, it just went down. They're looking for a goal of 60,000 pounds. OK?

Yeah. They have 830 backers. And once people like got the gist of what these guys were about in the comments, everybody has changed their – they can't revoke their bid because they paid. But they can change it to one pound. So watching people change it to one pound has been quite funny, which just happened literally as I opened the window.

Yeah, it's dropped. But they're still at 63,941 pounds pledged. So I guess enough people have stuck behind them. So who knows? It's just like I said, Tempest in a teapot. This is literally affecting 830 people on the planet right now.

It was on Hacker News. So I thought it was kind of funny. I mean this is – anybody that still thinks that this is the same as like a professionally funded company or an already done product that you're using, you're ordering, it's not.

Well, no, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a gamble. But the guy who originally designed the ZX Spectrum, whatever it's called, the Sinclair ZX, he was in the video. He's like, I'm the guy that designed the hardware and they got the guy who designed the actual thing.

They just want to turn it into an iOS app. Right. But they got the guy. So I give them props for having the guy. I give them not props for not paying their fucking developers. But there's a big difference there. So I just wanted to make sure you didn't step on your own dick.

I'm looking out for you. Well, thanks. We're buds and all that. We are buds, yes. Yes, we are. I'm not taking your advice anymore. But go ahead. Do you have something else? I don't really have – I mean my thoughts on Kickstarter and crowdfunding are very well known. In fact, I'm almost to the point where I'm about ready to put to a vote that we actually get rid of this segment and I'd rather have listicle of the week than continue on with crapping on this stuff.

Oh, I'm – huff no. Oh, the huff no, yes. Because at least once to twice a week I'm on my personal Facebook shitting on something that Huffington Post did. I'll bring that up in the wrap-up. Well, shall we vote?

Shall we have an online vote? So there shall be no more Kickstarter in the balls. We done? We good? Yeah. We know? Yeah. All right. Yeah. I think we're done. We're done with Kickstarter in the balls and if we got a Kickstarter thing, we'll just throw it in news or are you shitting me? And we'll bring in a different segment.

No, no. I think who's this asshole? Who's this asshole? Yeah. Just one last thing then if we're going to drop this. I have a bit of a personal story about a Kickstarter thing which just came up for me this week and names will be changed to protect the innocent and other things of that nature.

But just, again, this is how far Kickstarter has fallen and where it is on the basic kind of realm of anybody that's actually professional anymore. I worked for a long time with an independent artist who then became not independent and was on the cusp of stardom. And I'm a huge fan and really love the music.

Was working with a great management company. Worked with them for a long time. Things were really happening. Going, going, going. For whatever reason, management shifts, blah, blah, blah, different priorities. He got dropped by the management company I was super familiar with. He went with somebody new.

They were a bunch of idiots. They didn't think they were idiots. They thought they were a rock star management company. 2.0 that gets social networking and online-y stuff. Online-y stuff? Probably that's an exact quote from one of the emails I had at the time. I don't forget. Online-y. I butted heads with them really bad.

Lots of fights to the point where I had to call the artist and basically, we can't do this. We just can't. Good luck. And since then, when basically on the cusp of being a major artist, this was a while back. It's been a little while. Kind of disappeared.

Heard he got dropped from the label. So well done, management there. I'm sure it was part of your 2.0 plan. We don't need a label. Yeah, I just saw last week kick-startering the new album. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't be an asshole.

Don't be an asshole. All right. So done with Kickstarter. And if you guys have a strong opinion, if you'd rather have Huff No or Listicle of the Week, let us know. Well, I'm going to shoot down Listicle of the Week right now. But we can come up with something else.

Okay. Anyway, yes, thank you. This is 43 episodes in, and we now know your stance on Kickstarter. So this has always been your thing. I really couldn't have given a flying fuck less.

To be fair. It started with Amanda Palmer. When we started with this podcast, everybody was fucking loving crowdfunding. And I think I've proved myself right. From day one, I was saying this is going to be a fucking flash in the pan. There's no fucking way people are going to get away with this. It's sickening that millionaires and fucking huge corporations are turning to take money out for development.

And I was right. God damn it. There you go. Welcome to the Before Your Time Club. Exactly. Welcome to this week in shit we put on our computers. A site came to me through a friend who actually posted just an error message from the site on my Facebook page.

And we started laughing hysterically about it because I thought it was so genius. Nursingjobs.us, which is a kind of a micro-site job site, obviously for nursing, helps you find nursing jobs throughout the United States. You post your resume. Employees come to you. They blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Perfect. Great. If you're a nurse, you're looking for a gig, sign up here. Awesome. Small little niche site seems to be doing well. Good for them. The page that comes up is the error page if you happen to have IE7 and you go to their site. IE7 users, we need to talk.

Which is one of the greatest fucking URLs. I'm looking at it right now. It's like nursingjobs.us slash blog slash IE7 users, we need to talk. For you non-tech people out there, there are little programs, we call them browser sniffers, that we put into websites so we can tell what kind of computer you're coming from, what browser you're using, et cetera, et cetera.

There are a lot of coding issues that come up for different browsers. IE7 is ancient, but yet most of our clients still require us to try to code for them. And it is very difficult to do a modern-looking website that will work on IE7. It basically doubles to triples your workload.

Or eight or nine. Or eight or nine, for that matter, or IE in general, because nobody should be using Internet Explorer. Anyways, they put up a sniffer, and if you have IE7 and you're a client of theirs, I'm not going to read the whole page. I'm just going to read the only bit that I actually loved.

We are offering to buy a new computer with a modern browser for any of our customers who are stuck with IE7. We determined that it would cost us more to support a browser from 2006 and 2014 and beyond than it would to help our clients upgrade their legacy hardware.

Yep. I'm slow clapping. That's all I've got to say. Boom. As a developer and as somebody who understands the Internet, I applaud you. I love you guys. Nursingjobs.us. You are our heroes. You're a development team. You are kick-ass.

And your accounting team, by the way, is stellar because they are actually completely spot on because it does cost more to build a website that constrains the IE7 than it would to just buy these dumb shits and new computer. That's it.

99% of the people that are running IE7 probably don't even need a new computer. Just use a different fucking browser. No, no, no. It's corporate shit. I mean you've got the corporate IT team with the high-waisted pants and the taped-together glasses. Yes, I'm going to make fun of IT people on this show because you know what?

You're a bunch of douches. So here we go. Get your people up to speed and get them off IE. Get them on Chrome. Forget Firefox. It's done. It's dead. Get them on Chrome. Firefox is actually horrible now. Every release is getting worse. Oh my god.

It's so bad now. It's so bad, which sucks because here's the other thing. When you sent me this, I went to modern.ie, which is – the fact that there's a .ie goes back to the whole domain thing that we're talking about.

It's modern.ie slash IE6 countdown. And this was the old site that Microsoft put up saying coming to the IE6 apocalypse where we're not going to support it anymore. There are still 4.4 percent of the internet still uses Internet Explorer 6 to this day.

Are you sure that's not just for Ireland with the .ie? Oh, could be. I'm just looking around. It's an Irish. I do. I mean that's what we used to do to be tricky back in the day. We would actually find countries and register different domain names. Well, .ie.

.tv. .tv, yeah, exactly. Or TO for Tonga. Tonga, I'm halfway convinced half of their gross national product that year was just people buying TO domains when they announced it. Well, no, Tuva Luva, it saved their economy with the .tv domain.

That was big news. But we digress. No, actually we don't. But that's okay. I just want to know why Microsoft is still in the domain business. I really do. It's like just stop. You mean the browser business. Where is the money coming from?

They're spending hundreds of millions of dollars a year on Internet Explorer. Oh, they still run ads for it. I know. But where does the profit come from? By having their own browser. I don't get it. They've got their own search engine. That's fine.

Yeah. But having their own browser, I still don't understand where the money comes from. It's baked into the operating system, so they want you to use it anyways that way. And, you know, it's Microsoft. They're not going to ship somebody else's product as part of their OS. Oh, so you're saying that sites will have IE-only websites, so they have to buy Windows to be able to use it.

So that's how their profit runs. That makes no sense. I don't know. That actually, the plan does make no sense. But in reality, that's kind of what's happened. It's kind of what happened. All these legacy websites out there that nobody will ever pay to update that only run in IE6, they've created that. Genius, I tell you.

They were 20 years ahead of their time, and they still are. Bill Gates, come out of this, like, stupid retirement and come back and fix this company. Yeah, stop trying to fix the world and fix your company. Anyway, okay. So we talked about Bitcoin before, and I want to talk to you about an iApp, I-O-S.

I don't know if it's on Android because who cares. It's called Bitcoin, Everything About Bitcoins, which is a free course by Udemy. Udemy? Udemy. Udemy. Udemy. Just go check it out. It's like hours and hours of the ins and outs of Bitcoin, which we'll talk to you in about a second.

So the next one is – links in the show notes, grumpyoldgeeks.com slash 43. The next one is secret. You put this up, and then today I finally went and checked it out. But I didn't check it out because you put it up. I checked it out because somebody else pointed me to it.

Right. And then I went, and I'm like, oh, we've got to put this on the show. And you're like, oh, yeah, it's already here. Yeah, sorry. You beat me to an app, which I think is news in itself. To be fair, I did not even download or install it. I have been running it all day. All I had to do was look at the site, and I see exactly what it is.

If you're not a fan – No, you don't. No, you don't. Unless you run it, you have no idea what it is. It's post-secret. It is post-secret. OK, then I know what it is. But it's post-secret with people you know. Right. That's the trick.

It's post-secret with – But you don't know who they are. You can figure this shit out pretty quick. That was my problem because – Here's the other thing. OK. This is bullshit. It is total bullshit because the fact that they put the city that the person is in blows the whole – that's it.

It blows it. It blows it. Wait. Let's slow it down a second. OK. For people that don't know, post-secret.com is a site that's been out for a long time. It actually started as a book that was actually done with postcards. No, it was a blog that turned it into a book. No, it's even more old school than that. This is – even before the internet, there was a guy that posted personal ads in newspapers all across the country.

Really? He had them send anonymous postcards to him. No way. And then he put out a book. This is pre-internet, this concept. Oh, OK. It's been running for ages. So all the – the idea is that you basically make a confession anonymously.

Yes. And they're amazing. And post-secret.com is a site that for like a period of two years I would look at every single day. And then you just – it's like the – it's the internet. It's life in general. You forget about things and you move on. Yeah, and it's totally voyeuristic and then you just realize everybody is fucked up in the same.

And it's 100% and completely anonymous and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is that as an app except for the fact that everything goes into a database. It's tied to your phone number and it just takes one hack or a little bit of reverse engineering. All of a sudden, whatever you put up there is not a secret anymore. Yep.

No, because I – so what I did was I saw it. I signed up and I'm just like, fuck it. I'm going for it. So I signed up. I linked my phone number. Then I shared my address book. So if you sign up, you're going to see my secrets mofo. So basically, if you signed up and you only accepted one person from your phone book, you would know – No, no, no.

You don't accept anybody. They just take all of your contacts and they cross-reference and they keep it probably forever. So this company, who I don't know who the fuck they are, now has my email address, my phone number, and everybody I've talked to.

Is there an opt-out, delete all personal information, remove all personal information button anywhere in this app? I signed up about six minutes before we started recording and was reading it. I couldn't look for it. That's what I wanted to look for. But I was so fascinated by the fact that everybody I know is apparently a closet like just – everybody wants to fuck.

That's it. Everybody talks about sex and food. That's it. That's what everybody talks about. As far as I can tell, the only internet app that actually matters right now is Tinder. Because everybody is talking – everybody there, I know that's single and some people I know that aren't. These people are not single, no.

Yeah. Anyways. They're literally people saying, I wish my wife would roll over and give me a blowjob this morning. I mean it's like kind of – kind of creepy. It's things that – it's the reason that we have an inner voice and an outer voice.

That's what they should have called this. This should have been called inner voice. Yeah. Anyways, it's a stupid app and it's taking something that is a great, fun concept and making it so it's really not secure and not safe. And I would never, ever use this, not even for fun, because eventually somebody is going to hack this shit and everything that you ever post is going to be connected directly to you.

I don't like – they probably, I assume, don't have an opt-out thing, which we keep going on about. And I want to stop talking about Secret for a second and talk about my Catch-22 experience that I had this week. You have not heard back from Jelly, correct? No, nothing.

Nothing at all. You tweeted them. They did not ever get back to you. I tweeted them. I emailed them. They did not get back to me. I finally was so pissed off about this concept that I took to Jelly to ask how to get off of Jelly. No. Meta.

I went total meta in Catch-22. I was watching Top Gear, so I took a picture of Jeremy Clarkson and then I posted, if I wanted to opt out of Jelly and delete the app, how would I remove my personal data? One response from friend of the show, Sean Bonner, saying, doesn't seem they offer that at the moment.

Okay. So apparently you cannot get off of Jelly. I'm stuck having this app on and I'm not going to fucking remove it until I find out how they get rid of my data. Yeah. Okay. That's how it goes. And I do want to do – I want to say one thing before you just like basically skullfuck the secret app with a statue or something.

I don't know. You're very, very mad at them. I love it. I think it is my favorite app at this point because these are people – You're not even slightly concerned about the fact – the privacy aspect of it. Not at all. Okay. You know why? Because all these people are talking about are just – they're talking about their boners.

They're talking about their lunches and they're talking about whatever. Here's the deal. It is so stupid. The fact that they're doing it. Yeah. Just – it's laughable. Well, I mean – It is completely laughable. Because I – everybody I know knows security.

I mean like I'm not going to post anything on here but reading it is fucking hilarious. People see the – So I feel like the NSA right now. I feel like I'm reading – I feel like the NSA. I feel like what Ed Snowden felt like before he trotted off to Russia. It's like you people are so fucking stupid.

Why are you posting this? But I love it. The real interesting thing about all of these things is we really just see what human nature really is. You know, it's – that's Twitter. It's all of these things. All of these ways of self-expression really kind of come down to touch my knob.

I'm hungry. Get me drunk. That's really what this stuff comes down to. I don't want to die in the night. Yeah. I'm lonely. Give me a blankie. I'm lonely. I'm hungry. I'm cold. That's basically what it comes down to. What is this?

Maslow's – what is it? It's Maslow, right? Yeah. Yeah, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. This is – this really – this kind of really sets it home when you really get to it. It's like – that's it, you know?

We want to eat. We want to poop. We want to spooge. We want to snuggle. That's it. We're done. And on that note, I'm thirsty. It's the library. Woo! I just finished reading last night, actually, Hugh Howey's next new big bit of fiction after Wool called Sand.

He also released it in a series of shorter stories. I waited and picked up the Omnibus edition, which is the full thing. Is the Omnibus like the short bus? No. Okay. The Omnibus is – Just wondering. It's the Omni, man. Like Omni magazine. It's the all.

It's the Uber. So it's like one bus that just rides in a circle because it's like eating its own tail? Kind of like that. It doesn't go anywhere. It just – Yeah, a bit like that. Okay. Yeah, I finished it. Again, I went on record as saying I really loved Wool.

I thought it was fantastic. I enjoyed the second series that he wrote based on the same character. So this is a whole new universe, second major attempt at creating a completely independent work of fiction. Meh. Meh?

Not good? It's Wool meets Dune. Not as interesting as either of them. It's just – He is the Kwisak Saturak. Fuck. Wait for my brother, Baron. Don't even start on Dune. I still think that this is one of the best. I fucking love Dune. That entire series is one of the best works of fiction ever made.

Dude, I fucking love Dune. Yeah, I do. I love – That's my favorite line from the extended version of the movie. It's like, wait for my brother, Baron. He is the Kwisak Saturak. I love it. The movie is not so much, but the books I love. Let's get back to Sand.

Okay. Go for it. He's a good writer. It's not a lot of story here. The only good part about the writing was the interactions between the characters. He created a really believable family that kind of had disjointed itself and how they related to each other and came together in the face of, you know, your standard kind of shit that happens.

Otherwise, it would be a really boring book. But the universe itself, not as well thought out as Wool was, not as interesting, not – he didn't really delve into what happened. Okay. Here's the point. Yeah. It sucked. Don't buy it.

It didn't – That's pretty much where you're at. Okay? If you haven't read Wool, go read Wool. If you get really, really into Wool, give Sand a shot. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Just – let's not talk about how it could have been great anymore. Okay. Moving on then. I'm going to talk real quick about Audible.com's update.

This is literally like if Pinterest and a drunk UX nerd from Carnegie Mellon had a one-night stand, it would end up in this abortion that is now Audible.com. That's it. Okay. It was never a great site to begin with, to be honest.

It was terrible. And now it is terrible with – It's Terrible Earth. Yeah. It is terrible with prejudice. That's what I was looking for. It's terrible with prejudice. Do you think it works on IE7? I couldn't give a flying fuck less because I can guarantee you it doesn't work on IE11 or 12 or 14 because it fucking sucks.

So as an Audible.com fan and love them to death, if they would have called me, please always call me. I will tell you if your shit sucks or not. That could be a segment. Does your shit suck or not? Also, for consideration, people, chime in on our website, on our Facebook, on our Twitter, 20 years of it.

Tugboat Yards, not Tugboat Yard, which I typed in the other day and I'm just like, Tug Yards. Tug Yards, not Tug Yard because that's a whole different thing. You know what? Here's the deal. Go to TugboatYards.com slash GOG.

And there you go. Our little thing actually bit my own self in the ass because I found some guy who likes to – he's probably a pedophile but that's slander so I can't say that. He's a guy who makes boats. Anyway, yes. Audible.com screwed the pooch.

Sorry. Good night. Security. Ha! There is a story that came out I think two days ago called How I Lost My $50,000 Twitter username.

And I believe the guy had – what was it? N? Yeah. At N. At N. I've got my friend Tontek has at T. I know – I can go down the line of the alphabet and I know – I think I know a third of the single-letter domain people.

Yeah. They are all smarter than this dumb motherfucker. Period. He's like, a story of how PayPal and GoDaddy allowed the attack and caused me to lose my $50,000 Twitter username. OK.

Point one. You cannot sell a Twitter username. It is in the terms of service. Yes. I have literally talked to people who wanted to do Twitter username auction houses. Yeah. Period.

And it's like, no. If you are caught colluding on a username purchase, all of the usernames that have been anywhere nearly associated with you are deleted. Period. And then secondly, GoDaddy.

fuck you paypal fuck you guess what you have no fucking leg to stand on mr n or whatever you're called now i don't care you're done take it off i mean just do whatever it's it's an interesting read we don't we won't go into all the ins and outs on it the the thing that i found most interesting is somebody that was uh a relatively erudite and obviously very organized to put

together this entire account could be so dumb so fucking stupid this is your own fault dude you you seem like a smart enough guy and i get how you're pissed off but you're an idiot i mean little fucking you know even people i know that are so not web savvy would have known not to do half the things that you did in this so you're dumb you screwed the food if he had if he would have read the article that i never posted on grumpy old geeks.com about how to separate

usernames versus aliases with email addresses he would have been so far ahead but he never read the article i never posted so you know that's his own damn fault that's all i can say but even beyond that there are just so many things that he should not have done so many emails he should not have responded to so no it was so stupid just so stupid and it comes back to the matt honan thing the matt honan

hack was legitimate you know legitimately not his fault yeah this guy was just a fucking dumb fuck you know so and and so your fifty thousand dollar twitter username you know what it cost you zero dollars zero and guess what you lost zero dollars so you know what you got from it probably a lot of so shut up and be happy that you're not in anymore jesus fucking christ i hate people but hover did

respond to the incident and uh they're just like yeah the guy's a douchebag uh so now let's move on to angry birds angry birds because nobody really cares about security until it involved angry birds i i don't i didn't even fucking read i'm just gonna tell you right now i did not read the fucking thing angry birds is shark fin at this point right like they basically kind of resurfaced once they put out the star wars version and everybody got into that for a few seconds but we're all done with this game

right no no no no no no no all right we are because we played angry birds like 1.0 yeah and i have to admit it is one of the few zillions of one of the few games throughout my life that i actually super got into exactly and here's the deal when somebody gets a new phone that has never had a phone before they're like oh my goodness i can i can spring the bird to the thing yeah well when i when i got my

ipad 1.0 and didn't really know what the fuck to do with it angry birds was there exactly and it's a fucking amazing game it's it's it is i mean every success that angry birds has had they oh they deserve it they deserve all they did purely great physics and it's fun you know it's totally fun and i feel really bad because everywhere i go around the world they're getting ripped off with merch you know oh yeah

um well welcome to my life working with bands exactly river um well here's the deal um apparently there was a back door that somebody could get it and still people's info uh whatever wah wah wah okay moving on and the united states you realize we're getting as jaded we're getting as jaded in the security section as we have been with kickstarter yep okay pretty much keep going jason roll on my friend yeah

the united states does relax some data disclosure rules so companies can say when they've asked for uh you know yeah info why did you give it why did you give it yeah exactly um yep don't give a fuck it doesn't really change anything so untraceable is a new blog it's untraceableblog.com i this this so they get hacked well no no no go read this blog honestly if you if you care about

this stuff go read this blog and try and reverse engineer who this guy is because this is a challenge for me dr david teeter teeter we got we got a job for you i'm sorry i'm calling you dr david twatter for your self-fucking attacks on me last time jason jason still got a hurt vagina don't ignore him you little fucking bitch um so go check out untraceable and figure out how this guy does it

and see if you can reverse engineer who he is okay i would i for me personally i'm going to try and figure it out i love that he said it was a challenge this is amazing yeah i love this guy yeah he's doing he's i mean the way he's doing everything is really smart and i want to find this guy this kind of comes back to one of those it it almost could be a wired article you know that somebody's trying to do like being untraceable on the internet bullshit but he did he i mean this guy's smart he's very sharp he

knows he knows the programming behind things he knows the ways around him this is this is going to be a good challenge but he will get he will somebody will find out okay i promise we're going to keep a bookmark on this and bring come back to it i don't think they might i don't think he's going to get found by someone i guarantee you black phone i mentioned this briefly the other week we were going to talk about it but then we got stuck up in your uh up your own ass while you

sat down and told us about your mommy you are going to get a fucking cock punch next time i see you i swear to god so what do you think about it the black phone is the secure the like the secure from the nuts up phone coming from the guys at silent circle who have a horrible logo you got a fine logo who cares about it it's it's it's a fiery sphincter after a night of mexican that's all it is that's all

it is um but these guys were also on the side of the guy who shut down it these guys are very serious about privacy yeah i mean these are these guys are no joke so you know how you should actually stop making fun of them because they might give you a fiery sphincter at some point you know how it works what you can't send any text messages you can't make any phone calls and no apps work on it

so it's just a stone it's a stone it's a brick phone it's a completely secure yes you sit in a room by yourself and masturbate but that is the problem with it to be serious for a second no it's not well here's the joke it's it's what what's actually going to work on it and how do they mean obviously they're only going to allow apps that have passed their tests to be on there what app did you possibly use that other people use did you listen did you do you listen to anything

i say no no you don't anyway it's an android it's an android derivative yes um i don't think and here's where i get to agree with you because you can shut the fuck up um i think that they're probably screwed because they do let standard android apps run on it it comes down to the chipset the chipset was developed in europe um i don't know i'm i'm hoping it's secure but i you know what if i

talk i i assume somebody can figure out what i'm saying at this point i really couldn't care less we're all fucked that's it we're all fucked i i think it's only a matter of time before somebody actually yeah the phone will come out a couple people will buy it they'll all be very cool about it but they'll all be super uber geeks they'll try to hack it themselves and who knows that that sven nsa sven is like one of the guys on the on the board who's writing the chip diagram you know

how do you know that we don't have somebody in in-house that that's a mole but then you start getting into the let's just put on our tinfoil hats and move on but that's what this whole segment's about i'm sorry but have you have you read anything we talked about in the past two years jesus fuck everybody hit we've got people everywhere that's why i said the phone's a complete load of crap and there's no way it's going to keep you 100 secure but it looks it does look cool they did a good job with the design i totally give them a good job with the design yeah

the apple folk might want to hire that guy it's a nice looking phone oh the android folk might want to it's not as good as an apple but it's close so okay we're done we're done fuck security we're done oh you want to do the chewbacca one well you can if you want go for it i didn't read it well then shut the fuck up next

the web's not dead me myself and beebs stumbled across this article on slate uh right uh this is like a day or two after justin bieber got arrested in florida blah blah blah blah guy killed his career sorry that sucks blah he needs help dr drew dr drew whatever whatever whatever and all the rest of the shit we're gonna have to hear for the next i'd say six months and then we'll never hear about justin bieber again and wardrobe malfunction wardrobe malfunction until he starts to show up

on reality shows in about five years anyways the interesting thing about this for somebody that was born in 1973 is a tad older cory hame from the coreys now we all know how cory feldman is just a total train wreck these days i think we talked about him on some podcasts before too where he was doing some sort of online playgirl thing except the playgirls weren't really playgirls they were just sad l.a party girls that were no okay anyways total train wreck he's still a he's still

a live train wreck i had no idea cory hame was such a train wreck back in the day um wait fuck cory hame's the dead one right yeah he's the one that's dead oh shit i thought he was the live one no no oh feldman's still being a train wreck it's just nobody's a live one yeah oh just nobody pays attention to that anyways there's this great this actually is now that now that you mentioned this i i watched the videos this is actually much sadder no this is this is this is actually really fucking sad i was kind of wondering why you're

laughing so hysterically about this as we were about to roll into it i thought this is the guy that was still alive no this is a cautionary tale that actually it's a great article and well worth reading that basically connects the dots between cory hame and justin bieber and it even puts up pictures where they look remarkably similar following amazingly similar the exact same career trajectories the exact same problems are happening and basically cory hame ended up offing himself and uh dying

and it uh it showcases a video that uh cory hame did in 1989 called me myself and i when he first came out of rehab and he was trying to resurrect his career and is basically only sent around the hollywood community but became and here's the thing when i watched that when i watched this video yeah it was very much like uh what's his name from two and a half men um uh sheen sheen yeah it's very charlie sheen it's very charlie sheen too except charlie sheen is a much older man and

this is focusing on these young kids yeah charlie sheen should have been like his mentor and got him out of that except for the fact that charlie sheen hasn't stopped either at that yeah at that point charlie sheen was in the he was probably filming the fucking thing yeah probably so it's uh oh okay it's a video it's a 40 minute video or so that that yeah basically his management team told him to do 36 48 by the way 36 40 34 if we're going to be that anal jason um

um i just let me finish my fucking story shut up now you know what it's like to be me yeah yeah yeah anyways it's worth it's beyond insane to watch this um i didn't really i mean i knew of the coreys back in 1989 but at that point i was too busy dressing up like robert smith and being counterculture and this guy was so like mainstream so i couldn't pay attention to it but uh it's it's super sad it's this 36 minute produced video

explaining how you know he solved his demons except you can tell he's fucked up in almost every single take and uh he's ready to start working again and the the author does this amazing comparison between his exact position back then and justin beaver right now and um as much as i'd like to bitch about how things have gotten worse in the world this points out it's kind of the same isn't it shit is the same it's exactly the same it's just there's a lot more spotlight on things now

it's all about it it it's about perspective yeah it's about perspective because what do you think napoleon would say he's like oh uh yeah so these troops are coming over the the fields oh yeah no these are worse than they used to be you know yeah whatever anyways it's a good read uh the video i mean it's as horrible as this sounds to say because it's kind of about somebody that was an addict

pop a few beers watch the video and it's hysterical i actually now now that i know what the video was it's not hysterical for me it actually kind of bums me out because i watched the the their little tiny short blip in the history of reality uh tv called the two coreys yeah and uh you know they were trying to help each other and when when cory hame died i was i was actually thoroughly bummed out i just

transposed the names um and i thought he was the one that was still here and it it really does bum me out a bit um i don't know about bieber fuck you know what he'll he'll figure his shit out or he'll be dead one of the two he's yeah one of the two that honestly that's it yeah i know that but he's got parents two ways his his dad is like 36 i know excuse me excuse me justin bieber's dad is like 36 years old

oh and by the way uh there's no fucking way that there's any parental supervision going on there if you're they're partying fuckers if you and i at 19 or even at 36 had 20 million dollars in the bank we'd be doing the exact same shit oh my god i'd be going off the fucking hook i'd have jet packs i'd have fucking flying cars fuck this little pussy shit that they're doing i don't blame i don't

blame the kid at all but somebody knows to step in that's actually responsible to help him same old story and his dad is not going to be the one his parents are going to be but that's what this article talks about and and it's kind of interesting to see the the progression of this is like a known thing this is what happens to kids that become famous at that age and okay we're going to stop now because we spent literally six minutes on justin bieber and corey hame was just way too we're down yeah so

uh the one thing i want to point out is there is a service in japan that will it's kind of like uh amazon for shit that goes on in japan it's called the white rabbit express if there's a store in japan that has something you want they will send a runner get it ship it to you i'm so excited about this site because i have been obsessed with wasabi flavored kit kats since i was

in tokyo two years ago and found them you cannot get them anywhere in the world you ate them all and i didn't get to try them and by the way where are my fucking maple cookies that you promised me when i came to record at your house last time didn't show up so we need white rabbit canada yeah i i'm ordering i just i google it in right now there they are japanese uh wasabi kit kats and i just found

pringles wasabi mayonnaise i'm getting those two uh double order and when i'm there next week bring this shit over all right that's all i gotta say goodbye bookmark and order candy candy candy candy men's school men's school men's school the worst song i've ever heard in a podcast do you want to go back to uh talking about uh life advice no i don't say well it's kind of i do

singing not your friend well not um so we talked we we actually talked about man school the podcast in an episode that didn't air i was talking to this guy who runs the podcast i'm like oh we did we did a bit on your show we made fun of your theme song because it's fucking terrible but we love your

show and uh we ended up killing it because that was in the the first four that we never aired right um and now i've actually gotten to known the uh the guy who runs the man school podcast with a gentleman named caleb bacon who is a uh comedy writer at warner brothers on the lot doing a uh shit for some show but the reason i bring it up seriously stop laughing

doing some shit for some show doing some shit for some show not dropping any names uh not getting get sued uh some some a guy who knew a guy that did the thing with some other guy i think it was cory hame might have been oh fucking stop it shut up okay so he's got this guy papa joe on his on his uh 45th episode who lost 250 pounds and you know how he lost it

walking straight up walking and this is what brings it back to what we've talked about forever with me and my fitbit and you know my my shit bit whatever you want to call it right i love walking and i say that that is the foundation of fitness and listen to this guy's story he tried everything and this guy lost 250 fucking pounds by just walking no solution that works for everybody everybody's

different if uh i can get away the shit on my segment if i blew up to 250 pounds tomorrow and i just sat around for six months and didn't do anything and i got off my ass and started walking i'd lose some weight too by the way i once lost 250 pounds of useless waste uh weight once want to know how you got divorced right and i fired the fat useless guy yeah there you go yeah that's some that's some bad stand up there yeah yeah i think i'm sure i'll be at cheese and

puffs next week um so anyway check out check out caleb's podcast man school it's honestly it's like dudes talking to dudes it's a great show and and i i had uh when i met him recently we we we had a thing because his show has quite possibly the worst theme song in the history of podcasts phenomenally bad

it is it is fucking terrible but here's the problem it's an earwig it is a total earwig it stays with you you cannot get it out of your fucking head and there's like seven minutes of pre-roll before every show where he talks about what he's going to talk about on the podcast there is a trailer for the podcast that you're going to listen to once you get to the podcast and i'm just like dude what

the fuck are you doing and he's just like well i've gotten some good feedback on that i'm just like okay bro you got you got probably 20x the listeners we got so i'm going with you on that but that fucking theme song is an earwig anyway he's going to come over and deliver me some pizza because you know why he's got a fundraiser going on next week for uh substance abuse which is very

funny that i'm the one that's donating to that um i donated to his his uh his uh substance abuse uh podcast which is going to be on february 5th which is a live episode of man school you can go to laughter.com slash man school so yeah definitely check out caleb's uh podcast he's gonna have a live show on february 5th yep uh give it give him a donation if you can it half of it goes to substance

abuse the other half gets him a fucking microphone so he doesn't sound like he's talking in a toilet uh nice guy love him uh let's move on give him some more money than he could pay me to write his theme song yeah this is about 30 seconds man i'm just saying actually yes you should you know what he should fucking kickstarter have him email me but here's the deal his fucking theme song is so

good because it's a goddamn earwig it's so terrible it's great now moving on okay i don't find myself singing it that's all i'm saying joe rogan another person i actually i know i should like joe rogan i never get into joe rogan hmm go for it tell me why i hate i i i when pen jillette had his radio show and joe rogan came on and said i don't believe that man landed on the moon i'm like yeah i'm out i'm

fucking done with you i'm out i'm done i'm out yeah exactly like slap the mic down just like boom done out um he came back and said i was wrong thank god and he came back and he was fine and he's had uh neil digress tyson on the show and whatever but this week he had andreas and tono paluiz whatever um

is this is joe rogan experience number four four six this is a guy who runs a bitcoin uh exchange right check it out that's all i'm gonna say it was it's like a two and a half hour show it's very joe rogan experiences are very long apparently if you're listening to this you're probably into bitcoin as we all are and we're all still trying to figure it out and it's an ongoing thing but here's no no here's the deal this actually taught me more about bitcoin than i've

i've learned uh over all my research yeah so this is actually this podcast taught me more about bitcoin than anything that i've ever researched gotcha so check it out definitely check it out and the guy uh andreas is super cool definitely check it out next ask me another podcast okay uh it's an npr you're you're the uh

what are you doing that's my npr sound clip well this is pub pub trivia so why would i want to sit at home and listen to a pubcast about a podcast pubcast oh there's pubcast yeah there you go lawyers uh joe john colton is the the in-house musician who is fucking hilarious all right i i check it out pub trivia once a week

there's no way i'm going to listen to a podcast about it the fun part is actually being in a bar next oh i live in a fucking field i cannot go to a okay if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere pub trivia is amazingly fun so uh listen to this and then get us okay okay i'm moving i'm moving to la in two days who can we kill on your team who can i go murder team's full man it's team's full who can i murder to get their spot start another team no i'm gonna cut a cut a

fucking bitch's throat who can i kill you know threatening to kill my friends is not really a good way to start off this whole la venture yeah but i thought we were friends so it doesn't mean i'm gonna knock off another friend for you it's fucking rules here man speaking of killing people and dangerous stuff dangerous minds dot net uh this uh friend of mine actually on my pub trivia team is the person that sent this to me and uh it just went uh all my friends love this shit is the absolute

best new nine inch nails song i've heard in years and it's which is not a nine inch nail it's a parody it's a step-by-step how to write a nine inch nail song and this is exactly what the internet is for is absolutely brilliant it's in our show notes if you are a nine inch nails fan at all you will be collapsed on the floor laughing by the first course closing shout out i'm just gonna say i've had an absolutely brutal week i feel a bit like you did uh the previous week when you had a green hulk foot

and uh then you had a bunch of people on to try to you know help you figure out your life and we all just shat on you and yes yes tired exhausted um i've had a week like that as well i'm absolutely exhausted i'm tired i feel beaten and broken down and i love doing this damn podcast it's kind of what got me through the week i really enjoyed the fact that i actually all i wanted to do was go into bed and watch top gear and and new season starting this week by the way gonna be awesome thank you i didn't

know oh oh go google the stig trailer for it it's hilarious nice um all i really wanted to do is crawl in bed with my ipad and and kind of weep silently with top gear on this week but i had i had i was forced to like look things up and and find stories of interest and things that made me laugh and things that made me cry and things that made me angry and i knew i'd be sitting here on friday and bullshitting with you about it and it kind of got me through the week so i i love this podcast a lot and i love doing it so that's my my closing shout out is to us

well thank you um i i told you last time i was pissed when we took that time off for the end of the year because i'm just like what am i gonna do with my week okay i wasn't pissed at that point in time because i had a lot of fun and and well i didn't things are good well no they're not they're fucking terrible okay um i i did uh like you're you're you know you're happy about top gear being back now that i have since i basically broke my fucking leg uh i took that time to watch downton

abbey so now i am 100 up to speed with downton abbey it's a great show and do you or do you not agree with me about the fact that maggie smith can say more without even saying a word and just a slight roll of her head and a turn of her neck and an eye twitch than most other actors can do in an hour-long soliloquy she's she's always been a fucking amazing actress and in this she is

it's her perfect vehicle she's a master total master but i gotta say that um baits needs to go kill some motherfuckers right now that's all i gotta say you can't you know to that kind of show what you can't turn it into that kind of show it's a it's gonna be it's gonna be well look his wife oh you know what okay i've seen them all i can't tell you okay this is not

this is not downton abbey weeks okay next week all downton abbey all the time oh jesus christ okay so what do you think about us okay next week we're in the studio together you're gonna drive out to my house and we're gonna be some doing some shit uh well you're coming back to la i'm not entirely sure we're gonna be right right studio together next next week right right we'll see you're gonna get your ass in a fucking car like i used to do for 30 weeks and you're gonna come out

and do the show in my fucking house right mm-hmm sorry we're having some technical issues skype seems to be down i don't know what's happening i really don't it's not my fault children well what else you got for closing shout outs jason say it's all back up right now i don't know things kicked back into gear green lights went on like mac is flashing happy faces at me i don't

know what i i would like to say thank you very much last week for jordan harbinger coming on i'd like to say thank you very much for david teeter coming on i'd like to say thank you very much for brian schulmeister coming on because they all felt like uh yeah it was uh the anti-jason army but it's cool thanks for coming on we had a good time and uh soon things will be a little bit different around

here i may believe okay i'm a little terrified yes well you know change is scary very true you're talking about the matrix ad or what it's sitting in my notes you're ignoring it oh that was the other thing for your closing shout out i'm waiting for you to get to it oh i thought we were done oh you keep coming back and i'm just like i'm like why are we done why

aren't we done okay well we don't have to talk about it we can cut it with that okay yeah yeah fuck it no no no no no we went long anyways all right we'll just no we did give me to give me we'll just leave this in as a behind the scenes man this is actually one fucking second ten seconds well go ahead i'm filling time while you do that you don't have to respond to me i'm talking to the audience right now this is what happens people this is this is the behind the scenes look at the grumpy old geeks podcast something gets put in the notes

and we ramble and ramble and ramble and then i like try to gently nudge things back or i'm like holding off waiting and like all right i'll fill some more time with a little jokey joke here where's the matrix thing it was the only thing in the closing shout outs notes all the rest is patter and all my other shows i hit copy delete so fuck off oh i'm sure i'll delete this out except it's kind of funny exactly it is make it make it funny if you're gonna

fucking deal with it make it funny and also by the way send me a felicia michaels uh picture so i can put it on soundcloud um just google okay so one of my fucking favorite clients came up with my fucking favorite ad of the year i could not believe it because it was morpheus that's all i got to say it was really good here's the

here's the thing about super bowl ads nowadays you get to see them before the super bowl actually happens which in the old days was just like fucking stupid which is like the whole point was the lead up we pay two and a half million dollars for 60 seconds of air time but nowadays no we're gonna pay 60 million or whatever but we're gonna show them to you three days in advance

what happened what the fuck happened with the super bowl ads commerce money it's a sad thing i i actually did a facebook status update a bit earlier about that it was better when we waited and but they were premiered and then everybody who didn't watch the super bowl would watch them on youtube the next day the premiere should be at the super bowl they are super bowl ads but if you're a company if you're a company in the today show requests your ad and wants to talk about it for five days

leading up to the super bowl and show it 500 times as the guise of news are you going to complain that your ad is being shown as news that's the problem it's a no-brainer for the advertisers this is awesome for them yeah but it fucks the super bowl so they can't charge as much because the ads are already have already been shown you know it's a little it completely skews the dynamic of the

economics it's it's it's ridiculous um i don't know what the i honestly it was it was so much more fun when you would just wait for the super bowl and you would watch every ad i remember the goddamn e-trade monkey and i i literally had popcorn coming out my nose but nowadays you see all the ads before they air which means you don't have to watch the super bowl because most people don't want to watch

the super bowl because it's a bunch of fucking douchebags running around knocking their heads together so keep up with the grumpy old geeks on the web at grumpy old geeks.com on facebook at facebook.com slash grumpy old geeks or email them at podcast at grumpy old geeks.com have a good week okay last one to kill a bad guy buys the beer we're driving to florida this january bare knuckle fighting

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