185: What Plants Crave

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Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm Jason DeFilippo here with my co-host. I'm Brian Schulmeister. What a fun week it's been. I'm pretty damn depressed, Jason. Not going to lie. Most people I know are kind of walking around in a daze. I think it's, you know, obviously it's, you know, here we are. It's America. We're going to move forward and we're going to do our show and do what we do and stay mostly away from politics.

Although I don't know about you, Jason, but even trying to find stories this week, even text stories are politically tinged right now. It's impossible. You can't, you can't find anything that is just straight out. Not, um, yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's been one of those. No, I, I literally threw up yesterday. Like just the stress and the anxiety got to me so much. I just couldn't take it. I'm like better out than in and maybe the feeling will go away.

And unfortunately it didn't. So it's got to, got to power through it. Move on. It's yeah. It's just that, uh, it's that shock of finding out that the country that you thought you lived in isn't really the country that you're living in. Yeah. So here we are. Uh, speaking of that, black mirror makers had to confirm that the U S election is not actually an episode of black mirror.

Yeah. I think everybody made that joke yesterday. That's particularly funny coming from black mirror though. Yeah. So it was good that they, they stepped up and said, Nope, this is all you. Yeah. Good times. Uh, I've also got a link in the show notes. This is a segment that ran on CBS last Sunday, uh, prior to the election.

And I had put it in the show notes saying, surely the way that things will play out, I won't, we won't be talking about this, but, uh, we, we're going to be talking about it.

Uh, it's a really good read. It's a good read. Watch it. It's, it's worth watching. It's, it basically telegraphed exactly what was going to happen. Um, they talked to this guy, um, uh, who basically has just done focus groups for a living. His name's a Frank Luntz. Uh, he's been doing this forever. Uh, 20 plus years doing focus groups, usually politically motivated. Uh, and he gets into how national discourse has basically fallen apart.

Uh, we no longer are even capable of discussing things with each other. Uh, there's no civility in it whatsoever. And they get really deep into it and start to talk about how social media is part of the problem. And, and the way that just our technological supposed connectiveness is actually dividing us more than anything else, uh, these days. And I was really depressed after watching that. And I was like, well, you know, whatever, come Tuesday night, I'll be fine.

Yeah. I think it comes back to something that we, we discussed maybe a year and a half ago, two years ago on the show, which is that, you know, what happens is you get to these insular echo chambers by just talking to your friends and people that don't have a differing opinion.

And then you get a really thin skin and you think that everybody outside of your group is the enemy. So, yeah. And it just goes round and round and round. So, um, after all of this and just all the miserable anxiety that I'm sick of feeling, I'm, I'm taking like a couple months social media break.

I can't read about it anymore. I'm just turning it off and putting my head down and getting to work and getting, getting my job done because I just can't take it anymore. I need a break. Yeah. I've seen a lot of people posting similar things that are basically saying, you know, I have to be here every now and then for work or work related items, but I will not be posting. I will not be responding.

If you want to get in touch with me, do it the old fashioned way. Yeah. Basically it's just, I, I keep it for my logins, you know, things that I have to log into, but beyond that, it's like, I don't want to read it. I don't want to see it. I'm keeping Instagram because that's, you know, a pretty easy one to deal with.

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's fine. I guess mostly. Yeah. And I finally had to cave in. I've ordered an iPhone seven plus. Oh, I knew you would. Well, my phone stopped working. I can't. It's a, it's just a piece of hardware that's not working all the time because of the, the touchscreen just going dead on me.

So, um, it works well enough where I can still turn it back in and get like 250 bucks out of it. So I'm like, best do it now before it, you know, really goes tits up. That's true. That is true. Speaking of which, I've got to go look at some of my own. I still have some old technology around. I got to sell that stuff. Get rid of it.

I got an iPhone one. I got a razor that was made in Thailand, uh, and I cracked iPhone four S I got a five S and, uh, and a flip phone somewhere, another flip phone. So, um, I think I can probably get about $12 for them in recycling fees. If that awesome. There you go. I'm going to need it. I need my cores light money because this is, this is a sustained assault on my liver and I can't, I can't afford to go with the good stuff for the next four years. So you gotta, yeah, yeah. Well, I I'd recommend starting high

class, then tailoring it down. That's, that's the way that one should work. So, you know, for the first year, at least, you know, mid shelf, you can then go down a little bit near two and then you're three and four, you can go straight up PBR. Well, see, you know what? I did that all, but I compressed four years into one evening. So I started, I started with a little something, which is, you know, good beer. Then I moved down to fat tire. And then after that, it was straight to the cores light because the writing was on the wall and it was just time. It's like, okay, that and I'll fit in

more. That's true. Yes. I'm going to be part of the resistance. I must, I must have my cores light the fifth column. Yes. And as far as cheap beer goes, it's not bad. I don't mind it. It's it is what it is. It's fine. It's better than bud. That's true. Yeah. Um, so another interesting thing's been happening this week. Um, I mentioned that I'm sticking with my Instagram for that and my you pick site, uh, cause it's just photography based. And I like doing that. It calms me down. Uh,

about 20 to 30 times a week, people try and steal my Instagram account. Really? It's getting ridiculous. I'm getting, I get password resets for that account, you know, that many times a week. It's just pictures of his dog people. They want the username. I have a three letter Instagram username.

Is that it? Yep. Is that, that's worth something? People message me all the time to try and buy it. And when I tell them the price that I never hear from them again, people are offered to be like, Hey, uh, you want to sell your name? I'll give you $125. I'm like, two zeros on the, on the back of that. And then we'll talk, but okay. That's, that's odd. Yeah. All right. Twitter usernames were going for 20, you know, 20, $30,000 at its peak. So yeah, I guess people are crazy. All right.

Everybody leave Jason's Instagram account alone. Please do. And if you want to do, if you want to follow me, it's at Instagram.com slash JPD. There you go. Uh, and finally I posted in a little thing from the, I haven't been watching the family guy religiously. I have a feeling that I will be needing these comedy shows in my life more often now. So I expect a full return to family guy and probably South park as well. Uh, but a friend of the show, Hannah actually forwarded a clip to me of them making fun of Uber and it's very funny. I, I almost spit some cores out of my nose when I

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Well, we haven't really had to think about this. Um, we would have had to regardless of who ended up winning. So we'll just talk about it anyways, cause I think this is interesting. Uh, the white house will be keeping alive Obama's tweets, uh, before the 3am wonder starts taking it over.

Okay. Anyway, so there's a digital transition strategy. This is super interesting. We've, we've never had to really deal with this before. So what is going to happen with the, let's see, they say, uh, more than 470,000, we, the people petitions, nearly 30,000 at white house tweets and thousands of hours of video footage. What happens when the next administration takes office? They have a plan. Uh, they will be moving things. Well, first off, everything will be archived, uh, with the national archives. Uh, one would assume because it's government,

they will print each tweet out individually. I'm kidding there. Um, not far from the truth. Probably probably not. Uh, and they've already got every tweet ever made. So that's true. You just asked the NSA for it. So you're taking care of every tweet, every tweet that's ever made goes to, uh, the, uh, the congressional library or the whatever. Yeah. That happened a couple of years ago. It's pretty interesting. That's why, you know, if you're going to, if you're going to say

something against somebody, do it, uh, on Facebook where it's private snicker. Yeah. Uh, so, and they'll be adding, uh, they'll be creating new accounts and adding the number of the president to the end of it. Uh, so it will be at POTUS 44 and move everything over to there.

Uh, amazing. The kind of stuff that you can get Twitter to help you do and service, uh, which any normal human being could never get any even vague response from. Uh, speaking of which, I think I forgot to put in the notes, uh, that the guy who runs Twitter's, uh, uh, uh, Twitter's, uh, God damn it. No, not the verified. The, the bit that takes money from people. Um, the ad, the ad thing and all that is quitting, which, uh, if you heard me talk about that three weeks

ago, they refuse to even try to take my money. So good. Anyways, you can't get anything done with Twitter unless you're an ex president. Seems to be the case. That's about the only way to do it. Well, it seems like anybody can become president now. So you got to do is jump up and you'll get your Twitter handle verified. There you go. Just win an election. Uh, we've talked about universal basic income before, and, uh, there's some people out there that are really starting to, uh, think about this kind of thing and starting to run some, uh, experiments. Uh, good. I would have liked,

I would like to have heard this discussed at some point in this campaign. I think this is, um, a sad reality that we're going to have to get to again. All I've been doing is saying on the show is that we're rocketing towards having, you know, the star track. We don't need people to work anymore thing without the backup of the actual economy. So this is a method of that. This is, uh, we do not have enough jobs for people anymore because we have automated so many things. Here's some damn money

so you can survive. Yep. And the big question is what's going to happen when we have a universal basic income because they did some experiments on mice and apparently they often became extinct. The population became extinct because they didn't have anything to do. But then you look at, look at places like ancient Greece where everybody had slaves and they didn't have to do anything.

Then they could focus on art and things like that. So, yeah, well you need to have, it's like, you know, it's like we're dealing with things like our parents retiring and things like that. And you need to have a damn hobby. You can't just do nothing. So we could have a whole new Renaissance in the art world and all that sort of stuff. You've got to be kept busy. You can't just take money. So, yeah, it'll be interesting. And we could, we could use some more comedians because, you know, the next four years, comedy is going to thrive. That's always the upside of having the

Republican president is comedy is gold in those, uh, those cycles. That is true. So we'll have a lot of that. Uh, let's go on to drone news. Uh, Disney drones, Disneyland here in Southern California, uh, has been under a no fly zone as part of a 2003 law that was written in response to nine 11 terrorist attacks. Uh, same kind of restrictions that you see on sporting events, the white house and other high profile sites. However, the FAA have now issued a waiver to Disneyland, which will allow them

to fly their own drones over their grounds, um, with some very specific, uh, things that they put in. Like the drones have to stay a hundred feet away from any guest area at all times. Uh, so they're basically going to be flying them over water elements and restricted areas, meaning the areas where only employees are walking around in backstage, they're going to start initially using something called Flixels, a type of drone designed by a Berkeley based robotics company that will be

incorporated into the nighttime fireworks shows. So drones will be carrying fireworks throughout the sky. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, well, yep. There you go. Uh, I will be, I will go down and take a look at this when they started and I will report back if I survive. Okay. Yes. Don't, don't get blowed up. Oh man. So I was checking out the Adobe max creativity conference that, uh, happened last

week and, uh, they have this insane new tool called Voco. This is not good. This is one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen. So you give it about 20 minutes of regular audio of a person and then you can just type in whatever you want it to say. And it sounds exactly like the person, uh, PIs everywhere had just like shit the bed. How can you do audio surveillance now? If, uh, you can just,

uh, type in whatever you want. Yeah. Well, I mean, it throws a whole, you know, a whole lot of things are just out the water. Now, any kind of audio recording of anybody is can no longer be used for evidence in anything. Well, they're saying that they know that this is an issue and they're going to try and do, they're doing, working on watermarking technology, but will that technology like, you know, if it goes through three layers of, you know, ambiguity, like, you know, okay, I play the recording through the cell phone to another recorder, then play it back over Skype, you know, that has

compression and all this other juju in it. Can you lose the watermarking? Will it still remain, you know? Yeah. Or will you just be able to buy a, you know, a little black hat, uh, piece of software that just strips the watermarking automatically? Yeah, no problem. I mean, obviously this is going to happen. So this is cool, but bad. I mean, it's definitely technologically, it's insanely cool. Um, and the demo was, was pretty ridiculous. So, I mean, if this really

works that well, you know, then it's only a matter of time until we're going to be able to do the same damn thing with video and game over. Well, and here's the, here's the fun part. Well, I mean, we can do it with movies now anyway. Um, but, uh, we can just type this podcast. We won't even have to show up. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Pretty good. Okay. Next, uh, within like a year, we're just going to be going, uh, Siri, go do my podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have an, if this,

then that script to go get all the links for the week, find something snarky, put in a few swear words and then out the door goes. Yep. And profit. And that part never seems to quite fall in. Does it Jason? No, it doesn't. Yeah. Okay. So we have Snapchat spectacles now, Jason spectacles, testicles, wallet watch. Yes, indeed. 130 bucks. And the only place you can get them right now

is in your neck of the woods. I did see that. And somebody posted a photo of people lined up. One assumes Snapchat employees, because how else would anybody have found out about it? And who else wants to go buy these damn things? Uh, people are lined up, uh, in front of this gigantic yellow monstrosity to get their Snapchat spectacles out of a box. They apparently sold out first thing in the morning, like right away. So they've been trying to refill it, I guess. And then it stopped

working. It's a publicity stunt. So of course, you know, it is what it is. Uh, but now, you know, they're moving into AR, especially with these, uh, with these things. So you'll be able to do rainbow vomiting clouds around your surroundings while you're wearing them. Isn't that exciting? It's so exciting. Yay. Fuck you. Fuck cancer. We need rainbow vomiting clouds.

Yes. I'm so glad we're addressing the important parts of the world. So good times. Um, speaking of that, Instagram is confirming it's going to work on live video because everybody is so into Facebook live video or all the other programs out there that do live video that nobody is really caring about anymore. And it's basically just chicks trying to get you to buy packages of their videos.

Meerkat vine. What happened to those guys? Hmm. Oh yeah. Yeah. How's that all going? Oh, people using parachute left, right, and center. Yeah. That Facebook live is taken off too, isn't it? Hmm. Yeah. So there you go. Another place to do things that nobody wants. Great. People are sick of watching you eat your lunch. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Anyways, uh, YouTube is having trouble getting people to pay for YouTube. Shocking. Oh, give something away for 20 years and then ask,

ask them for a handout. Hmm. Exactly what the article states. According to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation, this all sounds so secretive. YouTube red has 1.5 million paying subscribers as of late summer with another 1 million users signed up on a trial basis, thus not paying any fee and probably canceling it. Uh, those numbers, as they say, underscore just how difficult it is to convince millions of people to pay for something they've had free access to for over a decade. What if you've ever, I mean, that's one of the things that we've had to deal with in

the past when we build a website and then people want to come in and put a paywall on it. We're like, you're not going to make any money. You're just going to get rid of your audience. It's the fastest way to go out of business is to ask for money. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Uh, speaking of that, would you please visit our Patreon page at patreon.com slash gog pockets? Pretty please. Yeah. Uh, and LinkedIn is making some interesting decisions right now. Uh, they would like to know exactly how much money you're making. Not much. Uh, yeah. What's your annual compensation

like? Do you get a bonus? What is your stock compensation? LinkedIn would like to know all this. They have added this, uh, collection to their collection of user data in the theory that you would like to know what the average salaries are for the work that you are doing in the city or area that you may wish to do it. It does seem a bit like a helpful tool to begin with because this is usually private and you know, it's going to be very difficult to figure out what you should be making or what other

people in your position are making. Um, you can get this information if you give them your information or if you buy one of their premium accounts, it is not available for free. And let's all keep in mind that LinkedIn has been hacked a number of times. So go ahead and put that information in about yourself. Yeah. Sounds, sounds, sounds like a great idea. That's just what I want to do.

Exactly. Uh, speaking of LinkedIn, uh, they won't be getting them in Moscow very soon because, uh, Russia is going to block them because they have decided that, uh, if you're getting data on Russian citizens, your servers must be on Russian soil. Well, LinkedIn says, no, yet not going to happen. And so Russia says, well, okay, bye-bye. Yep. Well, I mean, smart on Russia, although does it

really matter? I mean, where your physical location of where your server is, is much less important than what you're doing to secure it. Well, not if you want to go raided, if you're the Russian police, if you're the FSB and you want to go get some, uh, data on your citizens, why would you not want to have the servers in the country that you can seize? Well, it definitely makes it easier. I'll give you that. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about no hacking required. Let's talk about something really important that happened. Okay. Toblerone has changed its iconic shape and they've done it to

give you less chocolate. Oh, go figure. Bastards. Yes. Loyal fans of Toblerone. Are there loyal fans of a candy bar? I don't know. All right. Well, they reacted with horror and surprise on Tuesday while the rest of us were acting, reacting with horror about something important because they've discovered that the distance between the triangular chunks and their favorite chocolate bar have expanded overnight. Mondelez International, the company that produces the airport shopping staple, that's

kind of funny, uh, blamed rising ingredient prices for the change by adding space between the triangles. The company was able to keep its bar's original packaging and length, but reduce the amount of chocolate otherwise known as they trick you and fuck you. Yeah. Hershey's, Hershey's did this a long time ago. It was a, there was a whole big kerfuffle back when Hershey's did it and Toblerone will get away with it and people will still keep eating it when you're in the, when you're in the airport and

you need a, you need your choco fix. They'll still do it. I haven't had one since like a tough flight a couple of years ago. Now I want one. See, it worked.

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We are back again this week with our good friend Dave Bittner from the Cyber Wire. Let's talk some security, Dave. Hello, gentlemen. So what's going on this week? Anything, anything happening? Anything newsworthy? Anything going on? Anything? Anything in the world? No? I could use some, uh, some Xanax, but beyond that. I'm, I'm, I'm still drunk. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Drinking early today. Just drinking,

drinking through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, let's dive in. Uh, obviously, um, you know, I think lots of people were surprised, uh, and, uh, perhaps shocked is a better word, uh, at, uh, president elect Trump's victory on election day. And of course, uh, for those of us in the cybersecurity biz, uh, that means, uh, what's going to happen next? What happens? Uh, what is he said he's going to do? What, um, what do we expect he's going to do? What can he and can

he not do? Um, job security, right? There is. Yes, there is job security. Uh, you know, cybersecurity was going to be a major growth industry regardless of who won. But, uh, I think this, uh, certainly throws a lot of intrigue into it, uh, if nothing else. So, um, a good article this week in, uh, in, uh, Christian Science Monitor, their passcode, uh, section,

Sarah Sorcher, uh, who is their cybersecurity reporter does a really good job rounding up, uh, what we do know and don't know about Trump's, uh, stance on cybersecurity. The article's called what Trump's victory means for cybersecurity. Um, and, and, you know, Trump has said he, he actually does have a cybersecurity plan on his website. Um, Is it the one his 10 year old wrote?

There's, there's, there's not a lot of, uh, you know, what we would consider to be, uh, substantive details. Um, It's going to be, it's going to be the best though. And it's going to get the job done. It is. And we'll have to deal with cyber, right? Do we need, we need, we need to say that's enough for me to vote for him. Apparently. Yeah.

Let's make security great again. That's right. Uh, you know, of course we were joking about someone sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds, um, which we started, we've started referring to on the cyber wire as a hacker weight. So one hacker weight equals 400 pounds. Um, but, um, you know, I, it's interesting because obviously, uh, Mr. Trump himself is not sophisticated when it comes to computer use, but, um, you know, people are speculating that perhaps he doesn't even know how to use a

computer. People are speculating that he doesn't know how to read. He's, he's strangely like a millennial in that aspect and that he doesn't really know the inside and outs of how computers work, but he can tweet like a mother offer. Well, but I, I think it's interesting, uh, that actually, you know, NPR confirmed that, uh, Hillary Clinton does not know how to use a desktop computer herself. Her, her, uh, her technical prowess is limited to her Blackberry. Um, and

obviously, you know, we don't have to go into the, her, her infamous email issues, but, um, you know, certainly, uh, president elect Trump, um, not sophisticated when it comes to cyber security. So he will be depending on the people around him. Um, and, and there are more concerns about, uh, his connections with, uh, the Russians say the least. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I, I think, I think

it is worth noting that, um, there have been a lot of, uh, breathless stories about what does this mean for the national security agency? Um, and, and, uh, the FBI agencies like that. Uh, Trump has said that he wants to bring back, uh, surveillance and, uh, you know, I think people are writing articles about, you know, Trump will weaponize the NSA and use them against, uh, his enemies and so on and so forth. Um, you know, the people that I've been talking to people around here, uh, and we are,

you know, physically located close to NSA and many of the people who I work with, um, have, uh, relationships with the NSA, if you, uh, so to speak. Um, and they're saying that the NSA is actually, you know, quite well known as being a very independent agency. And, um, you know, they're confident that, uh, they will maintain their independence and will certainly not do, um, things that, uh, they're not supposed to do under the, um, orders from, um, from, uh, from our new president.

I can't even say the name. It's hard to get off the tongue. Sorry. It's, well, you know what? I was thinking about that earlier today, how, when I was a school kid that how it was hard to get used to saying the name of the new president, you know, cause they didn't happen that often when you're growing up. And, um, and so you'd have a new president.

It just didn't sound right. Uh, and yet somehow with this one, there seems to be a more emotional component to it. So I, I just don't. Yeah. Violent gastric distress is what, is what comes to mind outside of the fact that, uh, you know, when you say it, the mental image of just this glaring gold leaf flashing sign appears in your head, which is just insane. So. Well, one of the comments I, I, one of the things I noticed, uh, to, to that point earlier this week, uh, a friend of mine

pointed out to me that, uh, Donald Trump is going to be added to the hall of presidents at Walt Disney world. Oh boy. So there's that to think about. Anyway, moving on. I, I do, I do, uh, I do suggest that you do check out this article. Uh, Sarah really knows her stuff.

This is a good article from passcode. So if you're interested in what we do know so far, this is a good read. Right. Very cool. I never actually thought of Christian science monitor as a place to go for cybersecurity news. Yeah. Their, their passcode group is actually doing a really good job. Uh, you know, it's a small group that a Christian science monitor has stood up to cover this kind of stuff. And, um, you know, they're, they're definitely worth a look. So I really suggest

to our listeners, uh, check them out there. They're definitely worth a look and they're good folks over there doing, uh, you know, doing, doing good work added to the feed reader. Yeah. Um, moving on, uh, story came by, uh, this week on the verge. Why are Skype accounts getting hacked so easily? Gentlemen do tell, I got an email from Microsoft at a 4am on a Monday last week, I think, or what day was it Jason? I can't even remember, but yes, I was hit with this as well. Yes. I never

got an email from him and I got, I got just notes from friends that said, I actually was contacted directly by Microsoft. They, uh, you, they beat you to the punch Jason. Cause you were texting me in the morning. Yeah. I was sitting in our family room and my wife was sitting across from me and she said, uh, she said, Dave, why did you just send me a spam link on Skype? And I said, I said, um, well, obviously I did not do that. Um, and, uh, I said, from what account? And she said, told me the

account. And I said, I had no idea I had that account because you know, I, I, my main Skype usage is the professional account that we use with the cyber wire these days. And so evidently I had an old account that I had no recollection of ever really setting up or ever using, but I guess I did.

Um, and so in my case, I think it's probably just a case of, of an old, old account and probably password reuse, which is what this article points out as being what seems to be being targeted here. Um, and, and kind of a really bizarre way that Microsoft is handling passwords with Skype.

Yes. Yes. That was definitely the main issue because it is somewhat separate. I had a very secure Microsoft password set up for basically everything that isn't Skype. So whoopsies. Well, and, and the, you know, they have an option for linking your Skype account to your Microsoft account and then using two factor on your Microsoft account. And you would think that you'd be okay if you did that, right? I mean, you'd think you'd be okay if you did that. Well, it turns out,

turns out that, uh, no, that Skype account can still be linked to the original username and password that does not have two factor. And that seems to be what's happening here. So, uh, that's a pretty big hole that you can drive a truck through.

Drive a Baidu through. Yeah. So Microsoft has a fix. Um, but if you are a Skype user, if you have ever been a Skype user, go ahead and, uh, check out this article and, uh, figure out how to, uh, how to close that, close that hole.

And change your password. And if you used it anywhere else, go change it there too. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a good, I mean, for me, it was a good lesson of just sort of how many of these, uh, you know, old accounts that are just hanging around that you have no idea for, this is probably from a decade ago when I was not as vigilant about password reuse and so forth. And, you know, out of the blue, it pops up and, and there you go. So you really, I guess it's good to take an

inventory sometimes, try to figure out, you know, where do I have these, uh, zombie accounts that, uh, that are hanging around. It's hard, easier said, easier said than done. Definitely. I mean, I know I still have an LO account somewhere. Right, right. Uh, moving on, we've got, um, you know, we've, we've spoken in the past about the Mirai botnets. Those are the big botnets that, uh, the, that have taken down, uh, parts of the

internet, uh, you know, the million plus, uh, uh, cameras and DVRs and, and things like that. Um, there's some interesting kind of good news when it comes to the botnets, you know, the source code for the Mirai botnet was released online, which meant that pretty much anybody could have a crack at it. And what has happened is that because, uh, basically many more people are competing for the use of these available devices, these cameras, these DVRs, these unsecured devices,

that the, their ability to assemble any one powerful botnet has been greatly diminished, uh, researchers think. So, um, you know, we did see a couple of, uh, attempts at some Mirai botnet attacks, uh, you know, around the election and they weren't really able to rustle up, uh, very large, uh, botnets to, to do what they wanted to do. The, the attacks happened, but not at the scale of the

original attack. So it's kind of an interesting thing of the, the sort of a self limiting evolution of this ecosystem where, um, perhaps with so many people trying to hit these devices, anyone's ability to round up a huge botnet, it may not be possible anymore. Uh, time will tell, but, um, it's just kind of an interesting evolution of that kind of attack. Very cool. Yeah. Very cool. I just, uh, I got my,

my new security cameras, you know, the manuals in Chinese. Um, yes, yes. Right. I'm still saying, does it have a button that says activate Mirai? Yeah, might as well. Seriously, it might as well. So I'm hooking them up in the house, but I am keeping them off the internet for sure.

Well, did you change their passwords? I haven't even gotten that far yet. I'm trying to get past the, uh, the hello. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So you plugged them? Okay. No, I've assembled them. I have a, cause it was an assemble yourself kit. Then I have to put in my own hard drive. I haven't put the hard drive in yet. It's having plugged it in. It's like the pieces are together, but now I have to start plugging it in. As soon as I get it plugged in, the password will get changed. I'm not, uh, okay. Next, next, next step smashed with hammer.

Yeah. That's pretty much it. Um, all right. Well, speaking of, speaking of the hackers, uh, and since the gift giving season is upon us, I found an interesting article on we live security, which is the 10 gadgets. Every white hat hacker needs in their toolkit. So, uh, for that, uh, you know, for that discerning white hat hacker in the family, this is a good list of things that you

should buy to get them through the next four years. Yeah. I, and I love how articles like, and it is a good list, but I love how articles like this or every white hat wink, wink, wink, you know, like I guess it's sort of the, the, uh, cybersecurity version of medicinal marijuana.

You know, you put quotes around, right? Yeah. I I'm watching Westworld. I know you can actually switch hats. Right. Right. Exactly. Uh, no, it's an interesting list. Um, you know, this is sort of a, uh, uh, it's funny you go through here and besides just for the curious, you know, like, um, everything from, from raspberry pies to plain old fashioned lockpicks, um, and

everything in between, uh, RF monitors, uh, ethernet, uh, scanners, the infamous rubber ducky, um, you know, things to scan, uh, wifi. I'm surprised the Pony Express isn't in here. It's a pretty major. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, there's a, uh, an RFID scanner. Um, so yeah, you could do all kinds of, um, of innocent research with research based goodness for the world. Yes.

I'm trying to think about, you know, what kind of goodness, uh, would come of most of these, but, um, we'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Uh, you know, if you're into this kind of stuff, this is a nice list or if someone you love is thinking about perhaps a career in pen testing or something like that, maybe you can get them off or a lot or a life of crime. Uh, you can get them off to a start with some of the things on this list. So yeah, definitely worth checking out.

All right. Well, we'll let you get back to your drinking, Dave. We're going to finish the show so we can do the same. All right. Hang in there guys. Talk to you next week. Talk to you next week. Bye-bye. Software, apps, and gadgets.

I got a new gadget this week. I got the Shuttle Pro V2, which is, uh, it's a little gadget, a little USB gadget that sits on your desk for editing audio and video goodies. It's got like, was it nine buttons on the top four on the bottom, two on the sides, a jog wheel, and a little shuttle in the middle. Yes, it's very pretty. Yeah. I'm trying to get better at, uh, more efficient at editing audio because I have to do it so much. So anything that I can get to really

cut down on, um, back and forth on the keyboard, because I use like seven key commands and that's it. So I can just assign them to these buttons and that way I almost never have to touch the keyboard. Uh, it's, it's a learning curve because I'm using my left hand with that in my right hand on the mouse. So it's like a whole different new, uh, learning curve, but so far I love it. It's pretty, it's pretty swank. It makes your life really easy. I mean, when I was using Pro Tools a lot back in the day, there was a special Pro Tools keyboard that you could order. And it's just, I mean, once you got

used to it, everything went so much faster. Yeah. So I'm, I'm all about, uh, efficiencies because I need to make more money. Yes. Don't we all now? Yes. The clock is ticking. Yes, it is. So I found this cool article, um, about this new iPad accessory that will help you scan an entire room from your iPad. I, I, I ran across this as well this week and I, I ran over to the show notes and found out that you had put this in already. Uh, when I first moved into the, the place that I bought

here in Santa Monica, I was using some of these really cheap, rudimentary early on apps that sucked. This is pretty bad-ass. Yeah. It uses a sensor called the structure, which you slap on your, uh, you can actually use it on your phone or your iPad, but it's got a cool case for the iPad. Um, and it's got multiple sensors on it. So you get depth on it and you basically paint the room with it and, uh, you get kind of a rudimentary 3d model of it, but then you can send it off to, um, the service, which will turn it into a CAD drawing for you within 48 hours for 20 minutes.

29 bucks. It's not, I know that's pretty crazy. That's insane. It's so insane, but it's pretty, it's pretty cool. I mean, I would love to see a much simpler version of this that just lets you kind of do that. And then like try different, uh, arrangements of furniture and do different, uh, colors on, on the wall to see what you'd like to things to look at. I mean, that's all I would really want, but I mean, as terms of high end stuff, this is unbelievable. Yeah. Give it, give it time. I'm sure they'll get there. The, the, uh, the scanner is 379 bucks and it,

you have to get this app called canvas. And then, like I said, it's like 29 bucks to have it turned into a CAD file within 48 hours, which is insane. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. So, Hey, look, a whole nother industry has been disrupted. Yeah. There you go. Pretty much.

There you go. Uh, Jason, I know you've been having some issues with your phone and you have this strange, you know, fond memory of, of folding phones. So I did run something in the news that I thought of you about, uh, Samsung has a new patent because you know, their phones are blowing up and they got to have something at this point. Uh, this is an old school flip phone with new technology.

It looks kind of groovy if it's going to work the way it says it's going to, uh, the patent is a little, you can't really tell too much about what's going on, but it does seem to be mostly metal with some gritting in the center where you could actually literally fold it, uh, and stick it in your back pocket, I suppose. Yeah. Let's, let's, we'll see how well that works. I'll wait for V2 on that one. Yeah, I would, I would definitely do that. I mean, I'd maybe wait till past six because

those are the phones that are blowing up now. So it seems to take a while to get things, any, anything good there, but it's an interesting design. And I do wonder if there's a market for it, because I think at this, at this point we're all, we don't want folding phones anymore. No, I think we've had pretty much peak cell phone. Yeah. There's not so much more you can do.

Yeah, pretty much. So, uh, interesting. But, uh, what scientists have figured out what you can do with the old, good old USB stick is now you can perform HIV tests. Okay. It's pretty cool. Uh, you put a little drop of blood on it, stick it into your computer. It's got a little, uh, device that these little, um, disposable like chips that, uh, take your blood clip into. And within 20 to 30 minutes, you have a test result, which is far shorter than the three days it takes right now.

Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. You don't have to ship off the blood to a lab and wait for, uh, you know, wait for the results and all that good stuff. You can just do it right there wherever you're at. So if you're out in the field and you need to be doing a HIV tests, it's a cool piece of technology. That is very, very cool. And yeah, now you don't have to get the, uh, $500 bill from the lab too. Yeah. No, but at least these people are worried about real things, which I like.

Yes. Wow. We have story of substance, Jason. I do what I can destroy that now. Let's destroy it. Yeah. Go for it. All right. The holiday is coming. I did bring these up before these are the star Wars battle quads, but they have updated their video. It is so bad ass looking. I mean, I'm being swayed just like, you know, as if I were an eight year old child watching, watching the commercials before Christmas as well. There's no way they're going to be this cool in real life, but the video is

pretty bad ass. You know, you're getting one. Did you pre-order? I have, I did. I pre-ordered Millennium Falcon. I'm getting the Millennium Falcon. I thought so. Yeah. Yeah. Might as well. I mean, you know, we talked last week about how the government's going to be retraining a bunch of people in droid flying. I better learn how to fly one. Might as well. Okay. Let me know how that goes.

My, my time with my drone didn't, didn't end so well. So I was going to ask, have you given up on that? I gave it away cause I broke it so severely that, uh, it needed to be fixed. So I gave it to my friend, a monkey 13 who we've, who we've talked with about on the show and he fixed it. All right.

He actually took it apart, fixed it, got some new Chinese, uh, firmware updates on it and got it to fly. So excellent. Yeah. I'm glad, I'm glad somebody that has at least a modicum of skill could make it work because for me it was a $250 brick after I, uh, ran it into the ground far too many times.

Oopsies. Well, hopefully I'll be a little bit better doing the castle run. We'll see. I did put a, uh, a video in the show notes of the original star way, uh, X wing and tie fighter commercials. Yes. Which is pretty funny. I, yeah. Oh yeah. I, you know, total nostalgia there too. I remember seeing those. Yeah. So, and, uh, if you want to hear our original conversation on this, you can check out episode one 70 of grumpy old geeks entitled Brian's getting a drone.

Yeah. Here we're at a episode one 85. Still don't have one yet, but pre-ordered.

Media candy. I tend to not watch Saturday night live, but, uh, I check out the best of on the tube of you. And, uh, I did, I did get to see the new Benedict Cumberbatch, uh, toilet advertisement. Have you gotten to see this one yet? It's pretty funny. It's pretty damn funny. They're making fun of Apple. Of course. Yes. Yes. That was very, that's the good part about it. Yes. Yes. Be cool.

Toilet from Kohler. Uh, it'll be in the show notes. You have to go watch it if you haven't seen it. Uh, and if it gets taken down, these have been getting, there's been playing whack-a-mole with these, but, uh, if you can't just search for Cumberbatch toilet, go from there. Yes. Enjoy that ad to your Google record. Yes. And the follow on ads that you'll see for two weeks. Um, also honest trailers has finally gotten around to taking on Sherlock. So it was, it's also well worth the

watch. I never noticed how much he sniffs things. Yes. All the time. Uh, it's very funny. It no way, uh, decreased my love for the show itself. It just made me enjoy it even more. Oh, definitely. And Watson surprised face was what I think I lost it. That was good stuff. Very funny. Um, so Star Trek is the reboot is still eventually coming at some point, apparently, even though I have talked to the supposedly all production is taking place in Toronto. I know people that work in the production industries

in Toronto and nobody has seen or heard anything about any production being done anywhere. So if they are shooting anything, no one knows of it as of this point, uh, but because it will not be on CBS proper and it will be on, um, CBS is, uh, basically you're going to have to pay $6 a month to get their all access, which is where they're going to be carrying it. Uh, they asked, uh, the head of, uh, head of CBS interactive, whether there could possibly be nudity or cursing. And he said, sure, why not? Nice.

But you know, they won't because you know, those, if it's a big enough hit, they're going to want to take it elsewhere. So yeah, yeah. No green movies for you. There will be no green boobies no matter what they say. Uh, and a new international rogue one trailer has hit. It is cool. It's got a maybe 20 to 30 seconds of new footage in it, but, uh, definitely worth watching if you're starting to drool at the mouth of the thought of this movie being out like I am. Okay. I'll have to go check it out for sure. Yeah. I was going to go see a movie tomorrow and see the trailer again, but, uh, have

to work because it's one of those. I got to pay, got to keep that Coors Light flowing. That's right, man. Uh, one thing that will not be flowing in my house just because I hate sweaters is the Iron Maiden, uh, holiday sweater, which is they, they, you know, the Daily Dot says it's the ugliest Christmas sweater you've ever seen. And I just, I heartily disagree. I have seen far uglier. I would actually, I quite like this. I'm not into Iron Maiden because I'm not, you know, eight years old

anymore. Hey, kiss my ass. And friend of the show, Mike, I sent this along to him. He may possibly be, uh, ordering it at the moment. It is, I'm totally okay with this. I think it's great. I do too. Yes. I want one. Um, I was doing a clean out of my hard drives this week to, uh, to protect myself against the new and improved NSA that will be coming. Um, and I found, I found the screenplays for all three of the Cornetto trilogy movies, Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz,

and the world's end. So I thought that they were so amazing that I went back and I found the original blog post from 2014 where Edgar Wright gave them away. Right. Check out his website, by the way. It's pretty cool. It does a nice eight bit, uh, eight bit job of his website. I dig it, but, um, I like that. Yeah. I'm looking at it now. Very cool. Once I found these, I'm like, I'm good. That's my weekend. I am going to hunker down and I'm going to have a Cornetto trilogy, uh, uh, just movie marathon to

kind of try and scrape away the, the insides of my mind for a while because those movies are so good. And they are, I think when I'm done, maybe on Sunday, I'll just watch spaced from start to finish because that was also amazing from the, the old days. And then let's wrap with Valerian in the city of a thousand planets. The trailer came out today. Oh my God. Uh, I saw a post about this

earlier going, this is the sci-fi movie we've all been waiting for. Uh, you forced me to watch the trailer. I would like the one minute and 56 seconds of my life back. This looks horrible. It looks pretty damn bad. No, not just kind of bad. This looks like it was directed by a four year old. Well, this is horrible. No, that's true. Uh, the people, the actors can't act. The CGI

characters are laughable. Uh, this, Oh God, this is like everything that was wrong with the George Lucas prequels, uh, mixed with like, uh, what's the horrible thing that everybody loves that I can't stand avatar. Uh, and then throw in people that can't act. Oh yeah. So yeah, for this one, enjoy that everyone. Uh, it's so sad cause I'm such a Luke Besson fan, but he just hasn't been

able to pull one out in so long. He should have stopped after the professional. It's time to let go of the love of him. I think it's time to admit that he sucks. Unfortunately, I might have to go down that road as much as it, as much as it pains me. Look, play a little game with me, Jason, as soon as we're done recording this segment, just, uh, hit play on the trailer and just drag yourself to any frame, any frame in this trailer. And tell me if it looks stupid because I just played that game

myself and every single time it looks stupid. Yeah, I don't have to, I don't have to play that game. It looks really stupid. Do we really even need to say it? Oh, fancy. Fancy. Oh, fancy. In times like these, I like to think about things like maybe reality isn't real. Are you going, are you going down the Elon Musk? We're in a, we're in a simulation.

Elon Musk, the, the matrix, the, all of that, except, you know, this time from an actual scientist. Uh, this is a long form read link in the show notes. It's, it's, you know, it's fun to think about. Uh, this is got this guy, Donald D Hoffman. He's professor of cognitive science at the use at UCI. Uh, he spent the past three decades studying perception, artificial intelligence, evolutionary game theory, and the brain. And his conclusion is a dramatic one. The world presented to us by our perceptions is absolutely nothing like reality. What's more, he says,

we have evolution itself to think, thank for this magnificent illusion as it maximizes evolutionary fitness by driving truth to extinction, driving truth to extinction. Doesn't that sound like a good campaign slogan? Okay. Anyway, it's worth a read.

I have a good friend living in Canada who actually happens to be German and is from Germany as an immigrant who lives in Canada because they don't mind those sorts of things there. Uh, he sent me this link. Uh, it's a German comedy duo. So this is just in the, who said the Germans

don't have a sense of humor file. Uh, it's a bit dated now, obviously, but 45 minutes of fun watching two Germans run around the U S it's called grab the U S by the pussy. Okay. So good times. Yeah. So moving on. Okay. I'll check that out. I found a video on Vimeo this week where developers read one star reviews. Ah, so this is the, uh, tech equivalent of, uh, the celebrities reading bean

tweets on Twitter basically, or us doing comment of the week when we get a one star. It's fairly interesting. It's, it's, it's a, it's a fun little watch. It does have Marco Arment in it. And I like, I like seeing him read his own one star reviews cause that's, that is funny. Uh, so definitely check it out. It's fun. Um, and because it is very relevant this week, I found the website for

Brondo. It's got electrolytes. It's what plants crave. God damn. Uh, somebody actually, somebody from Omni consumer products a couple of years ago, went back and relicensed Brondo and was selling it on think geek, but the, the product is dead. The website is still there. So it's fun to go check out and watch the old videos. Good stuff. Good stuff. And I put the link in, I put the link into Omni consumer products as well, because it seemed to be a, I like their domain, Omni products or

Omni consumer products, corporation.com. Yeah. They do some good stuff like sex Panther. Yep. Ooh, my, Ooh, my, they've got the fight club soap. Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. So go check, go check out some Brondo because yes, it's what plants crave.

Comment of the week. We have a new Patreon subscriber this week. Woo. Woo. Thank you, Michael Kurth for signing up and giving us a little bit of love on Patreon. We really appreciate it. Yeah, we do appreciate it. We also got a contribution from Gil Ferria. So, uh, who also wrote, thank you. It's a very small contribution for a great podcast. Keep up the good work, Gil. Thank you. Thank you very much,

Gil. Yep. We love it. Now we're moving on to some iTunes five-star reviews. Now this first one comes from, I believe it's pronounced Jikenator. Yep. Funny, even for millennials, solid information. Most of the time as a millennial who hates millennials, I can really appreciate many of their perspectives on current events and how they are handled within society. Really, the only time I found myself going, come on guys, is in very select few situations where hardware is skimmed over

or not considered. But it's absolutely not a big enough deal to knock a star off this great show. Love the show, guys. Appreciate the work you put into it. Thank you very much, Jikenator. Yeah. Thank you. I'm not entirely sure what hardware we're skimming over or not considering, but hey, okay. Sorry. We'll try to do that more. Probably, probably Android.

Oh yeah. We don't talk about Android very much. Okay. Sorry about that. Uh, our next five-star rating is from Mike563. Just the right level of cynicism. It's great to find a podcast. Well, you think it's been bad the past few years. It's great to find a podcast where the hosts both understand the tech they're talking about while treating it with the disdain it deserves. Sick of all the gushing casts about how wonderful all the new insert buzzword here tech is. Check out grumpy old

geeks. Thanks, Mike. Thank you very much, Mike563. Next one comes from Ben Floyd. Darn tootin'. Hey guys, I've been a fan of the show for a while. My wife recently had a baby and I was stuck in the hospital and binge listened to at least 20 episodes. My condolences, my friend. Congratulations on the baby. Condolences on the 20 episodes. Exactly. As always, your show rocks. You two have a great dynamic and I love Dave Bittner from the cyberwire coming on. Subscribe to them as well. Thanks to

your show. I like your podcast enough to suffer through iTunes on windows to submit this review. That's saying something. Keep up the great work and stay grumpy, my friends. Well, thank you, Ben. And, uh, we, we had some more feedback from Ben, but I think this was the best and, uh, we really appreciate it, Ben. And, uh, we like Dave on the show too. Yeah, yeah, we do. So thank you very much.

Uh, and finally we have a, some feedback from our website, grumpylegeeks.com. This is from Barrett Reese, uh, comment. Okay. I have to bitch. I have to bitch like a 46 year old software engineer, yet. I love the show. I love Airbnb. As someone who has traveled the globe to 80 plus countries and has seen the shitty hostel scene in the U S I can understand how Airbnb evolved. When I travel, I don't really care what the hotel slash bed is like. I'm there for the sites here in the States.

I'd rather pay 35 bucks for a bed in Cleveland than pay 200 for a bed, two miles closer. True story. The tax money I could care less about the money that flows into the city from tourists offsets that minimal amount made through Airbnb. Well, I'm glad that you have decided the tax policy for all major municipalities. Um, we offer our home to couch surfers who pay nothing.

It's a great way to beat people from other States slash countries. My wife and I both Airbnb and couch surfing. Sure. We could easily pay for a boring hotel, but we've made great friends via couch surfers and Airbnb taxes would never offset the experience. Again, that's your personal choice. Sure. There can be crappy renters, but that is few and far between if, if the U S actually had decent hostels, then Airbnb and couch surfer probably would have never emerged. Love the show.

Well, thanks for all your feedback, Barrett. I, we will agree to disagree. I'm glad that you like the experiences that you're having. I don't have a problem with Airbnb existing. I don't have a problem with Uber existing, but there are rules that they should have to pay by them. And part of that is playing the taxes. And just because you're okay with them not paying the taxes does not mean it's okay. Okay. Way to crap on our, uh, our feedback. That's good. Yeah. No, I like the guy though.

That's why people love us. Yeah. Come on now. If somebody wrote and said, I think the show's great, but Jason should really shut the fuck up about bam, bam. How'd you feel? Uh, we have actually gotten that feedback. I remember a couple episodes ago. So I thought it was clever. All right. I like the guy. Thank you. I'm glad you wrote in and, uh, differing opinions are good. That's what this country used to be based on. Yes, it is. Thanks for all the feedback. Head over to grumpy old geeks.com

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Uh, Hey, Hey, my shout outs to everybody. Hang in there. I don't, don't do stupid shit. There you go. And be excellent to each other. How's that? Be excellent to each other. Cause, uh, we all need a little, we need a little excellent right now. Yeah. We need a giant hug. Yes. Uh, just don't do a reach around and grab them by the, okay. Nevermind. Thanks for listening. I'm Jason DeFilippo. All my info and links are at about.me slash JPD. You ruined an almost beautiful moment there, Jason.

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