153: We Face a Shining Future

Do you like how throughout this episode, anytime we've been positive, I come back immediately with a negative? You have turned into me. Oh, boy. Grumpy Old Geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo, discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and who's to blame.

Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks, number 153 for March 25th, 2016. We're a little off our game, aren't we, Jason? We're extremely off our game because it is now 3.30 in the afternoon. Yeah, we usually record this at 9.

I asked you to wait an hour because I actually have some friends from Toronto staying with me, and they weren't getting out of the house until 9.45, and then that hour became you had disaster after disaster, and now it's 3.30, and I have a beer. Yeah, no, I have a glass of wine now.

I'm going to relax. It has been a terrible, terrible day. I screwed up my day jobs Friday episode, and so it was perfect timing that you actually needed an hour, but I needed an hour and a half, and then once we got back to it, then it was just, oh, oh, I didn't realize I had another show to do.

Oopsies. Oh, well. Well, it's appropriate that we both have a beverage because it is our three-year anniversary show. Happy anniversary, Brian. Happy anniversary, Jason. What is the three years? Is that like wood or dirt or something like that? I should have looked that up. I actually probably had that with my wife a couple years ago.

Let's see. How long have you been married? Oh, God, you had to put me on the spot with that, didn't you? We're on four, so let's see. It was just last year. Traditional anniversary, I guess, by year. I'm just checking out the Google bot here. Oh, yes. Googling is always such good radio. Number three is leather and or crystal slash glass.

Well, leather kind of probably would be for us back in our 20s, but I think we'll go with crystal slash glass now. Yes. So we're going to have a glass of beer and a glass of wine. Yes. And again, tomorrow, you guys are hearing this pretty late, but if you're in the L.A. area, come down to Finmacool's tomorrow at Santa Monica at 2 p.m.

We're going to be getting together and just hanging out with anybody that shows up. I know. I looked at the Facebook group, the invite. We've got like 14 people coming. Yeah, yeah. It'll be a good crew. So, yeah, if you're in town, definitely come and hang out because it'll be fun. We don't really do this that often.

We've never done it on Saturday. We always do it on Fridays after we record the show where nobody shows up because everybody's got a job. Yes, because it's Friday. Oh, man. Okay, so let's just get to it. Stop patting ourselves on the back here. Yes. Yeah. I wanted to follow up with your thing about psychology.

You had posted that thing about everybody was freaking out in the world because they weren't able to replicate results, et cetera, et cetera. Oh, bad science, you mean? Yeah, bad science. Well, yeah. Again, there's a follow-up article on that. It's on Slate. It's in our show notes, and it asks our sketchy practices in the lab to blame for the replication crisis in psychology research.

And, you know, in a disprove of Betteridge's law, the answer is yes. Oh, really? Yes, they are. Slate actually broke Betteridge's law of headlines. That's great. They did. And I'm not surprised by this because, as I've mentioned, I was a psychology major in college.

And, yeah, read through. It's an incredibly long article, but it goes through all the kind of crap that psychologists have done, sloppy researching techniques, bending results to meet the result that they wanted so they could publish. It's a mess.

Okay, so it's basically when they come up with the desired output they want, they make the study work to their advantage so they get the answer that they want. Yeah, so there's a lot of that going on and a lot of just people being stupid.

Oh, my God. People are stupid? I never knew. I never knew. We wouldn't have a podcast if they weren't. This is actually true. Yeah, and then you posted a YouTube link. Yeah, this is a video for Sustainable Programmable Manufacturing by Andrew Hessel.

And I started to watch it, and I was fascinated by it because it's about using, like, 3D printing technology for biology. And I really, really wanted to watch it, but I've had a really bad week. I didn't watch it, but you did.

So tell me about it. I actually did end up watching this. I didn't get to chance, but then you disappeared for a couple more hours, and I watched it. It's really cool. You know how we said we were so done being programmers and coders? Yeah, absolutely, yes. I want to be a biocoder.

Really? This is all about basically coding with DNA. It is cool as crap. Super interesting. I mean, this is like cutting-edge science. Unfortunately, I think we'd both have to go back to school and get some degrees in some things that we don't have degrees in. Or maybe not, because we know what the curve on technology for these things is.

It's going to be pushing buttons pretty soon. You know, boop, boop, boop. There you go. But it's super cool. I definitely think you need to watch this video, Jason. It was exciting. It's inspiring. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that like goes, oh, that makes me kind of go, maybe I'm not going to be so bored.

Maybe there are other things for me to be doing besides this web crap. No, you know, that's the interesting thing about this. When I saw that, I did get excited. I'm like, oh, this is really interesting stuff. And lately, I've started to get really excited about 3D printing, believe it or not.

I mean, I know it's a couple years old and, you know, the glory days might be gone. But I think we're actually coming into a place right now where 3D printing, drone technology, believe it or not. Yes, all of the stuff we make fun of is actually like really exciting and really fun because we've kind of hit that peak moment where the technology is starting to get good enough where it's worth doing.

Yeah, I mean, we've heard, you know, a lot of talk about CRISPR, which is basically DNA splicing and that sort of thing. I mean, this is all cutting edge, but the technology is there. I mean, there's a huge terrifying aspect and I'm sure we'll start to have stories and security about that. But it's cool. I mean, this is exciting stuff.

It's exciting stuff to go into our fourth year with. No, absolutely. And you know what the thing about it is? It's affordable stuff. Yeah. We can actually like afford to go and get these devices that these people are doing this stuff with. You know, like I said, my first drone comes next week.

I'm excited about that. I can get a 3D printer for a thousand bucks. I don't have a thousand bucks, so I can't get one right now. But at some point, maybe I can get a 3D printer to print me a new water heater. Maybe. I think they're not quite that large yet, but we'll get there.

In the news.

Yep. So we just came from that super upbeat little intro there. I'm going to destroy all of it right now. Excellent. That's what we live for. Destroying. There is an article on Medium. It's called Deep Learning is Going to Teach Us All the Lesson of Our Lives.

Jobs are for machines. This is everything I've been screaming about. This was written by a guy named Scott Santins. Santins. I'm not entirely sure how that's pronounced because I'm just reading it. I think it's Scott Santins. Santins. And he wrote this after the whole Go thing.

Yes. This is where the Google bot basically beat Lee Seedol. Yes. In the bots called AlphaGo. Yeah. And I wasn't really too aware of what Go was until I read this article, which is quite long, but it's very worth it.

Go is like super big. 14-minute read. 14 minutes. What are you going to do? It is worth every second. This is... This basically goes through how none of us will have jobs within 10 to 15 years. Excellent.

I don't like to work. I don't like to work. Yes. But the problem is we have not figured out what we're going to do with... Remember how I always complained about how we're hurtling towards Star Trek economics, but we don't have the replicators. We don't have the replicator to actually make us food. Earl Grey, hot. No. Yeah.

We don't have any of that. And he actually mentions all of that stuff in this article, and it goes way deep into it. And I had no idea. There's actually... You think people freak out about Bernie Sanders right now. There's this concept called universal basic income that economics...

Economists. Economists. I don't know why. Well, I'm looking at the word. Well, I know. I know. It is 3.40 in the afternoon, and there has been beer. So they're economists. Forward-thinking economists are starting to support, which is just basically this. We just give you money because there are no more jobs for you.

And this is how you survive. And maybe you just start to do things that are fun and creative, because that's all that's really left for us, because everything else has been taken over by AIs or robots. But who's... I mean, the people have to... There has to be somebody to build the robots, maintain the robots, build the AIs.

Yes. You know, it's just like, okay, so this is where we have the Morlocks and the, you know... And this is why this is a 14-minute read. Okay. They get really into it. It gets really deep into, you know... And basically, it's a call to arms saying, we have to start thinking about this, because it's coming a lot faster than we think it would.

That's... Yeah, that's the scary part. Yeah. As they were saying about the Go thing, up until the machine won, they were at... The most alerted people in this area were like, oh, it's like 10 years away before an AI is going to beat a human player. Yeah. And then it was like, oops, oh, crap, it just happened.

Yeah. That was quick. That escalated quickly. Well, and the other thing he's talking about is the escalation about this stuff. It's exponential. It's not linear. Yes, exactly. It's actually parabolic, which is what they're saying. This is a big, big, big, big deal, and people need to start thinking about it.

Go read this article if you don't believe me. It's an awesome read. It's well thought out. Really, really good and terrifying, actually. See, I don't think it's terrifying. I actually look at this with a bunch of hope because really smart people are thinking about this stuff now. Hopefully. And I think this is what's going to not get us to Skynet, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm definitely going to check this out because this is like one of those things that I'm really into right now. Yeah. I am so fascinated by how fast we're getting to this stage. You know, that is exciting and the scary part because it is coming a lot faster than we think it is.

And we need to really seriously think about retooling our entire, the entire way our society works. Otherwise, it's going to be, I mean, you think there's no middle class now. It's going to be the people that own the robots and the rest of us huddling in a corner. That's pretty much it. So.

Fun times. Fun times. Following up on that a little bit. I thought this was interesting and I came across this article by Lisa G. Now, I'm not a huge Howard Stern follower. I listened to him every now and then because I still have Sirius in my car, but I do remember that she was on that show for a long time. Smart, smart woman, funny reporter type.

She left the show, I guess, last year, which I didn't even know about. She was in her fifties and out of work. You don't listen that often. No, I definitely don't listen that often. And she wrote an entire article about how difficult it was for her to find a job, even with all the experience that she has, the name recognition that she has.

She had a bestselling book. She could not get a job. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me one bit. Media is a hard business, you know, as we know, because we work in media and we work in the entertainment business. We know that there's only so many hours in the day that people can consume media.

So when you want to get into that business, you're going up against everybody else. And it's for that timeshare. Yeah, exactly. There's only so much time out there. So it's a good article. I mean, she eventually ended up doing fine. And I'm not entirely sure I agree with her premise at the end, which is take any opportunity because you never know where it's going to go.

I think there are some things that you just don't take. But I know, definitely. I think the thing that you would love about this is there was a spot in it where she asked the question, what do you do when your industry is disappearing? Which is what a lot of people I know in the music industry are asking themselves right now. And also in the web development industry.

I mean, same thing. Yes, that's that's why I'm sitting here talking to you right now. Exactly. Fuck you, WordPress. But she talks about radio because she's worked in radio and radio is also, you know, as an industry that's completely and utterly shrunk. But the funny thing that I think you'll agree is, is she went, oh, but there's internet radio.

There's internet. She said internet radio, you know, podcasts. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no. But she used the words internet radio. Well, yes. She is in her 50s. I'm in my 40s. Guess what? I know what a podcast is. Get with the technology. If you want to actually have a job.

Sorry. Educate yourself. Yes. Well, she has a job, so she's OK. OK. Yeah. And she's supporting the RE20, too. I like that. Yeah. And talking about expanding media and other things that are to take people's attention away from anything else that exists right now, like podcasts, the first batch of Oculus Rift have shift.

Have shift? Have shipped. Shipped. OK. I was like, they've shifted. Is that like the new disruption? They're going to pivot is shifting the new. Well, yeah, they're shifting as well. Anyways. Yes. Start arriving on 328, so you're going to see a bunch of idiots wearing these stupid things.

It's like Google Glass, even worse. See, here's the deal, OK? I am of two minds with VR. I am of two minds. Half of me thinks we're going to be giant, fat, wall-y people riding around in our hover chairs, going to, you know, Walmart.

Jason, have you been to a Walmart recently? Yes, I do. I go to Walmart. I go to Walmart to make myself feel good about my body image. We're halfway there without the VR. Exactly. When I go to Walmart, when I walk out of there, I feel sexy. I'm sorry. I feel sexy.

All right. But, and I also have a 98,000 inch TV that I just got because they're like 20 bucks. The thing about, but when it comes to this stuff, yes, I think that we might be going down the wrong road with it. But I also think that it has the potential to be a kind of transformative technology.

I really do doubt that there are a hundred thousand actual really good uses for VR tech in the future. The problem that I always have with this is the hype at the beginning. And I'm, you know, it's, they're a music artist deciding they want to do this so we can create a virtual experience where it feels like you're standing at a concert.

No, that's no fun. That's no, it's not, it's not any fun because you know what, when you're at a concert and you hear that bass player, like sitting there and just running out those riffs, you feel it in your chest. It's not like, you know, okay, I can listen to it on my amazing Panasonic or earbuds or whatever, but it's, you feel it, it's visceral and it's a, it's a community experience.

Like I said that I think there are really valid uses for it. What a boring one being real estate, which will take the drones out of the real estate market because this is better. No, it's not. The drones have to go film the, the actual house, you know? Yeah. So I, I've actually got clients waiting for me to get my drone and I will, I will have paid for that drone on day two.

Excellent. Well, from, from actually doing, doing flyarounds of houses. Okay. I just can't go over 400 feet and I can't go to 5,000 feet and try and take down a 380. Yeah. I'd rather you didn't do that. Yes. No, but I think there's, I seriously, like, you know, I'm starting to become more pragmatic about what these technologies can really deliver to us.

Okay. And thinking about it in, in a way that's not just being a grumpy old geek and, and thinking, what can we do with this? That would actually be fun. So yeah. Optimistic Jason's a little creepy and bumming me out a little bit. Let's, let's get you cranky. And wait, optimistic me is bumming you out. The fact that I'm looking forward to the future makes you bummed out. What's wrong with you?

Well, let's talk about stupid crap that you don't like. Excellent. All right. Let's talk about the death of Instagram for brands. I didn't know there was a birth of Instagram for brands. Oh yeah. Some brands have done very, very well on Instagram. You can't put links in an Instagram post.

It doesn't matter. It's particularly, I did an article a couple of weeks ago about the clothing industry and how they're all over it. The fashion. It's all about that. Yeah. Anyways, they're going to have some problems now because we should actually have a new segment called all of this has happened before and it'll all happen again. Uh, the Instagram, that's the title of our show. What are you talking about?

I know the Instagram feed is now going the way of the Facebook feed and the Twitter feed and these things are all the exact same. So are you, are you, are you telling me they're going algorithmic? They are going algorithmic with their feed. No. No. And of course they always sell it as most of our people. Most users only see 30% of the things and we're trying to give them the best 30%.

Meaning we are trying to charge you ass over fist to be able to keep your brand going on Instagram, just like they did in Facebook, just like they're doing on Twitter. Yawn. Oh man, that, that you have no idea how bummed I am that that is what they're going to do. It's a photo site. Photos. You go linear, you go linear. If you do, oh man, I argue that

Facebook should be linear because I want to see a time-based list, but yeah, you can get linear, but you have to scroll down every time and hit most resets and then it resets every time you log back in. Yes. That's why I'm never on Facebook anymore, but I'm in, in guess where I am Instagram.

But now if they're going to do, do this crap, well, you could, you can pivot over to Snapchat because guess what they're doing? What are they doing? They're buying bit strips, the company that turns you into an emoji because apparently we're bored with just vomiting rainbow colors out of our mouths or using all the crazy filters.

Now you can just be a cartoon character on it instead. Explain this to me because this is just a little bizarre. Why is it bizarre? They, they want to turn you into an emoji. Well, you'll just be able to probably animate your emoji and make your emoji do all sorts of things and blah, blah. And you can do whatever the kids do on the Snapchat.

Oh my God. It's just another thing to add to it that they can upsell you on when they start selling you on things, which they have already, right? Yeah. Yeah. There you go. You know, I'm looking at, I'm looking at this article right now and I, I am dying a little bit inside.

Well, social networks are crap. They've always been crap. I mean, we started with Friendster. Come on. You know, I think we should all just go, go to Ella. Ah, hello. And oh, I've got some Ella followup, by the way. I too have unsubscribed from every Ella newsletter.

And guess how many I got today? How many? Ten. Yep. Oh, well, you have like 15 accounts, don't you? Well, yeah. Apparently there's five of them that I, I should have, you know, I should have figured out what was going on there. But yes, I got 10 emails from Ella today telling me about all the people that I should start following.

Yeah. I, I, I have unsubscribed. I haven't gotten one today. So maybe mine finally took, but I only have the one account. So who knows? Yes. I have 15 accounts because I, I have. Because you are insane. No, I have a lot of people who I, I protect their IP for. Okay.

Um, but yes, no, it, it's just like, what, what, where'd this come from? Stop it. Seriously. I don't know. Uh, speaking of things, I know nothing about Yahoo. Yahoo. It's been a kind of a running joke on our show that we have absolutely no idea what Yahoo actually does or what they intend to do or how they make any money or what they really want to do in the future.

Uh, apparently a lot of other people agree about this because Yahoo is apparently up for sale. But if you read this article from recode, they're not very forthright about it or very helpful to people that have shown any interest in buying them. Uh, who the hell would buy Yahoo?

Well, that's a really good question, but apparently Microsoft is getting into it now. Um, they're not going to buy Yahoo outright, but they are going to fund other people who may be interested in buying Yahoo, which makes no sense to me whatsoever. And I'm sure it must be illegal, except it's probably legal because of lawyer tricks.

Uh, yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole thing about Yahoo is the only reason that Yahoo is worth a single cent is because of their investment in Alibaba. Yeah. Period. That's it. It's the only reason that Yahoo exists.

I don't know. My dad still uses their homepage. Yeah. Because he can't figure out how to uninstall that stupid search bar probably. Uh, yeah, which, which honestly there should be, if we could, if we could educate the elder classes about what has happened to them with this Yahoo search bar, we could have a class action lawsuit that would just be the most amazing class action lawsuit of all time.

Well, I think I found something for you to pivot to Jason. I'm going to pivot to that. Yes. Except I'm not a lawyer. So talk to your wife. Okay. She's a little busy right now. Okay. Uh, Intel has officially slowing down the pace of CPU releases because everything's gotten too damn small. Yeah.

It's called physics. It's physics. Yeah. Moore's law is finally starting to break as predicted about 10 years ago. I think the timing is even about right for when people predicted it would happen. So not surprising we're going to need major breakthroughs in physics or, and, or nanotech before, wait, wait, wait, Ray Kurzweil hasn't gotten on board with us to figure out how we're going to get to the singularity case.

He's a little too busy swallowing the 7,000 pills. He's got too many vitamins to take. He'll get around. He's like, I need to stay alive a little bit longer. I gotta make it. Somebody will come through with something, maybe crisper. Anyways. Yeah. So before it was process, architecture, lather, rinse, repeat.

Now it's process, architecture, and optimization. We did talk about this on our up to speed podcast. And, uh, if you're not listening to the up to speed podcast, I recommend you do because, because damn it, we make it, listen to it. Yeah.

We kind of just do the daily news there, but, uh, and then if that's worth repeating on Friday, we do. So that's what happens. So the thing about this is, you know, and yes, it, it, it's sad this week that we lost Andy Grove from Intel. And now that maybe that's why they're slowing down the pace.

Cause Andy's not around anymore to, to poke him in the butt with the cattle prod. But, um, no, we're, we are really running into physical limitations on how computer chips work because when you get to that small of a die, the electricity basically bleeds over to other circuits.

You know, it's like, you've got these little tiny, little tiny things. I mean, when you say nanometers, you can't actually fathom how small that is. It's even smaller than Donald Trump's tiny little hands. His tiny little hands. Yes. We'll get into Donald Trump at some point.

Maybe that'll be our closing shout out, but yes, no, these things are getting so small that there is, you cannot get past the physics of electrical bleed, which will then flip bits on another circuit. And that's where things are really coming into, you know, that's the problem.

No, you, you also, you mentioned slowing down and, um, physical limitations. Um, I, you're middle-aged, right, Jason? I'm 44 years old. Uh, I'm also middle-aged. I'm, I'm 42. Uh, guess who's joined us? Who has joined us?

Apple. Apple is 40 though. Apple is 40 years old. We're older than Apple. They are slowing down and, uh, have some physical limitations these days. Or at least that's the argument being made, uh, by Bob O'Donnell, who is a founder and chief analyst of tech analysis research. Um, and he makes, I think a pretty good argument.

We're, we're seeing Apple become a more mature company. It's, it's not out there going crazy and doing crazy things and throwing hammers through crazy ass windows and stupid commercials made in the eighties anymore. It's, it's a real company. It's a, of course it is.

It's the biggest company in the world. And the second biggest company in the world. And yes. And they have shareholders, I believe. Yes. Yeah. And they got, they got passed by alphabet a couple of weeks ago. So, uh, yes, the second biggest company in the world. And I think Exxon is the third, uh, which is, it, it still boggles the mind that that's, that's how things work.

It's like, uh, gas that we actually all buy every day is the third biggest company in the world. Look, even people that don't use gas have iPhones. It's kind of strange. No, the homeless people I see who don't have cars, they have iPhones.

Yes. Everybody has an iPhone. Not everybody uses gas. Uh, which is a bit weird. He makes an argument that Apple is no longer the spry young thing that it used to be, but it, that actually could be a good thing. And I enjoyed it. So it's an interesting think piece on where Apple is at now and where they may be moving to in the future.

And it kind of made me go, well, I'll hold onto that stock a little bit longer. Okay. I got, I got my stock. Yep. I'm good with it. Um, and in the, in non-shocking news of the week, uh, Netflix, they've been screwing you if you're on AT or T or Verizon. Um, they're degrading the video quality.

They're putting on caps. They said they weren't. Oh, they are. Oh, well, how about that? How about that? Uh, I'm on AT&T, but I don't get my Netflix through AT&T. Yeah, I know. You and I don't because again, we're middle-aged, but, uh, this is what the kids do.

Yeah. I'm not, I'm not watching Orange is the New Black on my phone. Okay. I think that who was the one director just made a plea about that. Like just for the love of God, don't watch my movie on your phone. I don't know who that is, but if you can find it, put it in the show notes because I want to give him a pat on the back because I remember hearing about that.

I think it might be, I think it might've been Abrams because the worst awakens is in Sweden. Oh, he's yeah. He's just like, don't steal my movie and watch it on your phone. Yeah. Poor JJ. Cause he's not rich enough. Anyway.

Yes. So yeah. Here's the thing. This is slate, right? Yes. The title of this is Netflix has been degrading video quality on AT&T and Verizon, and it's really messed up.

Look, okay. I'm sorry, but, and it's really messed up. We could do an entire episode. Actually, we could do every episode about how bad editors titles are for articles. This is ridiculous. It's like you're writing to a third grader. Well, yeah.

Third graders can't afford Netflix. That's all I'm saying. I don't know. Most third graders I know are addicted to it. Yeah, but they can't buy it. That's true. Okay. So Cadillac. Yes. I, I, I have a love hate relationship with Cadillac because when I grew up, my, my family, we had Eldorados.

We had, um, we had, we had tons of Cadillacs because my family loved Elvis. I'm, and I'm coming out saying it. They loved Elvis. Okay. I listened to Elvis on eight tracks in all of the Cadillacs that we had and this whole new Cadillac generation, they are some of the ugliest cars I've ever seen in my life.

I'm sorry. They are. But what Cadillac has done now is they have skirted the regulations to figure out how to put a video camera feed in your rear view mirror. And I give them credit for that.

That's very cool. I give them huge credit for that. I mean, you talk about a company that you don't expect to be forward thinking it's Cadillac. Exactly. Yeah. It's like the only thing that would be old mobile or what Pontiac who doesn't even exist anymore, but yeah. So they have a little, uh, what they've got is they've got a camera on the back and, and a little toggle switch.

So you can look at a regular mirror, which you can't see anything on, then you can flip the tab and then you can see out of the camera in the back. Good on you Cadillac, because what the problem was, was the, uh, national highway transportation and safety association wouldn't let them do it with just a camera.

So they had to come up with a technological solution to make it work. And I, I applaud them for making this work. Yeah. It looks really cool. It was a good thinking guys. Yeah. Yeah. Because you got, you have a wider angle of view. Yeah. It's brighter and you can see, you can see about everything you're going to run into when you back up.

So excellent. Good for them. Speaking of cars, Dyson, the people with the proper amount of suction are going to be making electric cars. Uh, I, I, yeah, we talked about this a little bit on up to speed as well. I mean, my point being, aren't you, they're a little bit late to the game on this one and please don't make it look like your vacuums.

I, I kind of like their vacuums. I mean, like I said, they, like I said, on the up to speed podcast, they look like iMac 1.0, you know? All right. Not a good look for a car. Just saying. Oh, I know. I don't know. I'm on the fence with that because cars nowadays need to, we need some kind of disruption in in the car market.

Okay. I don't think Dyson's the company to do it. I don't even think they have enough money. Everybody's waiting for Apple to get in, but they're not going to, they're just going for the dashboard. So the problem, yeah. The problem with Dyson is that their vacuum suck because they don't suck. That's the problem. Actually, I think my Dyson vacuum is fantastic.

What I have a problem with is my Dyson fan. That thing is so goddamn loud. And like I've said it before, we need louder cars when they come to this electric stuff because you need to hear them coming. You have to hear a car coming down the road.

Oh, I agree. Because you will die. I'm going to lose this show to Brian Schulmeister because he's going to get killed by an electric car in Venice at some point. It's almost happened a few times already. It's happened every week for the last three years.

You've bitched about the Prius every week. The only difference being if you put the sound on it, I'll just hear my death coming. It's still not going to change the driving habit of the idiots in the car. Yeah. Well, that's that. Trust me. That has nothing to do with the Prius. But that's being in Southern California where people just don't know how to drive and they're narcissistic assholes.

Yeah, I agree. Anyway, I think the Dyson, the Dyson fan car, you know what they should do? They should do the hovercraft. They should do a hovercraft. They should take those fans. Those fans. And put them on the back of a hovercraft. And that will be the new Dyson electric car. It'll be the loudest hovercraft in the world.

All the gators in Florida will be running for the hills. And we'll be right back. But now, a word from our sponsors. Security? Ha!

So I used the Google bot on the break, and it was J.J. Abrams that recently just pled with viewers not to watch The Force Awakens on a phone. But as I Googled that, I found out David Lynch asked people not to watch movies on a fucking phone. He used that actual wording back in 2008.

What movies that he made that you shouldn't be watching on a fucking phone? David Lynch movies? Any of them. Okay. All of his movies are cinematically brilliant. Can you imagine Twin Peaks? The little midget in the red room? No way. Yeah, actually, I can because I watched it on my iPad.

What's wrong with you people? It's not you people. So we have a hack of the week. Hackers have rated Verizon Enterprise customer data 1.5 million are affected. And instead of just releasing them, they're trying to sell the data online in a, air quote, closely guarded underground cybercrime forum.

There's a closely guarded underground cybercrime forum that has made it to the actual mainstream media. Okay. Apparently, yes. For the asking price of $100,000, the hackers responsible are also offering to sell information regarding weaknesses in Verizon's website so other people can hack it.

And they are also offering to buy chunks of the 100,000 records for $10,000 a piece. Here's the deal. What I've learned after three years of doing this show, criminals are stupid. They're really stupid. Yeah.

That's it. Of course they're. Yeah. I'm just going with that. Okay. You're just going to go with that? Okay. I'm going with that because they're going to get caught. They're going to get caught. Well, as soon as there's any kind of tracing back of money, as soon as money exchanges hands, unless you're just going with... But what if it's Bitcoin?

Yes. What if it's Bitcoin? Whatever Bitcoin is worth at any particular moment, it's still worth it. It's still way too volatile. We need all the Bitcoin to get that $100,000 because Bitcoin is not worth anything anymore because everybody has left Bitcoin. Exactly. I found an article on The Verge. This is written by Ashley Carman.

And I just found it funny because she basically lists off everything that we say to do because she did it too late. Okay. What's the title of the article? Lessons to Learn from My Mexican Phone Theft Nightmare. So she went to Mexico and got her phone stolen? Yes. Okay. So what did she do?

Well, and the funny thing about this is she's a tech writer. Okay. She's a cybersecurity slash tech reporter. Oh, this is going down a really bad path right now. I know what's going... This is bad. She officially states that I realized that I probably should have done all of this and I have lapsing operation security.

Oh, so she's got shitty OPSEC. Yeah. That's what she's saying. Yes. Yes. And then her phone, unfortunately, was stolen from her hotel room and she went through a complete nightmare, but she ends up bullet pointing everything that she says you need to do at the end, which we've been saying for ages. I'm going to start with the first one and then we'll just trade off.

Okay. We'll trade off. Use a password manager. One password being our preferred favorite. Enable two-factor authentication. Get into your accounts immediately after a theft and reset your passwords. Clear your remembered devices. Make sure you have security software on your Android to help with locating your device and remotely wiping it.

It also helps if you enable it, which she discusses. If you have an iPhone, make sure Find My iPhone is enabled. Keep a backup device enabled. Have passwords handy if possible and try to change them over secure Wi-Fi connections. Use a VPN. There you go.

This is, this is, I think this is episode two of Grumpy Old Geeks. So I'm glad that The Verge has finally caught up with us. Yeah. It's great. Yeah, it's good times. Anyways, it's worth the read. If you haven't done a lot of those things and it tells you why you should do them.

In cyber war news, the U.S. is just cyber war. The U.S. indicts seven Iranian hackers over cyber attacks. Those were on banks and the New York dam. Yes. This is 2012, 2013. Yeah. Yeah. Now, and I've listened to the Cyber Wire podcast recently and they were talking about this.

And by the way, if you're not listening to the Cyber Wire podcast and you care about the security stuff, definitely check those guys out. They do a great job every day. So the, the thinking behind indicting Iranian hackers that you can't even get to.

Yeah. Is that at some point they want to go on vacation and you can get them if they go to a country that is in our coalition of friendliness as it were. So that's the entire point because it's like, oh, why are you indicting hackers in Iran?

Well, because they, at some point, will like to leave Iran, you know? Yes. And then we can get them then. So it's interesting. Nest. I saw the headline next new frontier for the smart home is all about security. If it can pull it off.

And you and I always discuss about how the internet of things, the worst problem with it and why we're not adopting it is lack of security. Unfortunately, it wasn't the security I was thinking. Okay. What is this? I read through the whole article and they're making a big push to start doing things like home security, which is sensors that alert when doors and windows are open.

A portable Bluetooth sensor that you could attach to a key chain, all the things, a wireless hub that would tie a Wi-Fi router to a series of internet connected devices across the home. All the things that if you do not implement proper security on, which nobody is talking about, will screw you.

Yeah. You know what? When I was in Thailand, I was in Bangkok and I went to this electronics bazaar in Bangkok and for $30 I bought, uh, which basically is a felony over here, but, uh, I bought a Wi-Fi jammer that also had Bluetooth jamming and, uh, you just pressed a button and it was jammed.

So I don't know how Nest is going to get around people that like to go to Thailand and spend $30. That's all I'm saying. Uh, it's, it's a real issue. And again, why my house will not be internet of thing anytime soon, not even with Nest devices.

Comment of the week. Big thank you to our new Patreon subscriber, Jeff Scopin. Thank you, Jeff. We appreciate it. We appreciate it greatly. So we have a, some comments this week. Uh, the first we're going to talk about is, uh, from Twitter.

That's at GOG podcast. It's from Evan B caught Brian's comments on Apple music on up to speed. They fixed the problem with large libraries. It's actually not bad. Now I need to figure out what not bad now means. It's a very, very vague term.

Does that mean it can take a hundred thousand plus songs? Yeah, that's the difference. It's like, uh, cause before it was 25,000, then they went to a hundred thousand and now, uh, well, see, here's the deal. Brian has a big library. Uh, yeah, I have like almost a quarter of a million songs in my iTunes library.

And even if it can handle it, I mean the, I heard the upload and the whole process of doing that can take forever if you don't even have that large of a library. So, uh, I, I, again, I've been saying all along, I would love to pay for and use Apple music. It'd be great.

I cannot. So I'll, I'll, I'll look into it again. Uh, thanks for mentioning that, Evan. Okay. Thank you, Evan. And MOS 6502 says, uh, GOG podcast pronunciation of pagan was fine. Um, and that would be my pronunciation, not yours.

Well, I said, hey, again, and you said Pagan, this is, which is just like, what the hell? This is the second time in a month I've been called to task. It wasn't the word pagan. Of course I know how to pronounce pagan. It was a name, especially since you hang out with all those Wiccans at Disneyland, you know, you were growing up as a goth.

Come on. This is the second time I've been brought to task in, in a month for mispronouncing someone's name that I have never heard aloud. I have only read. There are many different ways that a name can be pronounced. That could be Pagan. That could be easily.

Uh, G-A-N. Yes. Look at P-A-G-A-N. Damn it. I, whatever. Come on. You know it. It could very easily be. It's not the word. It's a name. Names can be pronounced differently. We see that all the time. Right?

Okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Shulmeister. Don't even go there, Shulmeister. So, on GrumpyOldGeeks.com, we got a note from Miranda. Hi, Grumps. Your latest episode, 152, really got me thinking. I agree that there is a problem with millennials using their phones more than talking to real people.

But on the flip side, texting and online communication has opened so many doors for me personally. By making it easier to reach out and to learn from people that I might not meet in everyday life. Mm-hmm. At the same time, now that it's so easy to live with our own bubbles, we've got to make a conscious effort to reach out to people while walking down the street, while at the coffee shop, similar to how we make a conscious effort to exercise and eat healthy.

The movie WALL-E addressed both of these issues, which we have already talked about on this episode. Yeah. Yes. On modern life, I totally agree that it can be crummy for mental health. A good friend with bipolar recently moved to a hippie commune, and it damn near saved her life.

Well, I hope it saved her life and not damn near saved her life, because if it damn near saved her life, she's dead. The hustle and bustle of trying to live in the city was too much for her. She still has bipolar, but is now able to function and feel a self-worth that wasn't possible for her with the restrictions of modern-day society.

Okay. All right. Well, thanks, Miranda. I agree with almost everything you said, except for making the conscious effort to reach out to people while walking down the street or while at the coffee shop. I only want to reach out to my friends, not strangers, but that seems to be a millennial thing, although maybe not, because almost there's so many apps that are based on like reaching out to strangers and wanting to touch them.

Oh, those are different kinds of apps. Yes. There's many apps that talk about people wanting to touch each other, but. Yeah. So there's that. Yeah. I mean, I agree. It's, uh, I don't know. I just, I just see, I just, you know, everybody just, especially the younger people that just walking down the street, uh, they're not even looking, they're just on their phones.

And I thought it was bad enough with the walking. Um, I do a bike ride every single day here in Santa Monica, up the, up the shore and back. Um, and this is not older people. This is millennials on their damn phone, texting and browsing and whatever on the bikes.

You are going to die. Okay. Here's something that happened to me this week, which was the greatest thing I think that I've ever seen. A guy was riding one of the, I can't even call them hoverboards. I just call them. Oh yeah. Those stupid. Yeah. Douche cycles. I'm going to call them douche cycles.

So this guy was riding his douche cycle up the week or up the street, up the street. Um, and he was taking a selfie and doing a video. I am sure he was Snapchatting it and he ran straight into a light pole and I almost crashed my car because I was laughing so hard.

It was the greatest thing I've ever seen. People just, just be aware of your surroundings. Come on. It's Darwin. Our next, I don't know. Seriously. I mean, we, we, we've joked about this for three years, but now it is so pervasive.

It's just, it really is. It's beyond pervasive. Put your phone down when you're out in the wild. That's yeah. Anyways, uh, Charlie H wrote in, he said, hi grumps. So after the last episode, I have to ask to John Scalzi pee in Jason's Cheerios or what? You seem to miss your take on red shirts without a thought.

I thought so too, Charlie. I got to admit, like, I was like, oh, Jason's going to have something that it was just like, meh, whatever. I'm not going to read it, but no, but it was actually, yeah, I did. Nope. Nope. Nope. So I followed your recommendations and beyond on the old man's war series and read or, um, listened to it.

Yeah, I see. He listens to, good man, good man. Well, you blew me off on Scalzi. I'm blowing you off on those. Uh, never lost interest and thought it was awesome. I did skip the pseudo books in the middle, Zoe's Tale and the Sagan Diary. I'm sure I pronounced a lot of names wrong there, but I've only read them. That's Sagan. Uh, but I digress.

Wanted to thank you guys for the recommendation of author Brandon Sanderson. I just finished the first, second book of the Reckoner series. Plan to get to the third book as soon as my April audible credits posts. And yes, good man. Good man. Listen in the books, listen in the books because you know what? Sometimes you just want to listen to a book because some of us are fucking dyslexic and we can't read.

Okay. Well you get the, anyways, reading is a special. Okay. And moving on. And yeah, I also listened to ready player one, another author I'll be following. Compelling story. Really well written. You guys rock the books. Keep up the great recommendations. Um, Charlie, ready player one.

Don't go warn you right now. Don't go to book two. Don't go to book two. You may have missed the episode where we discussed his second book. It was a steaming pile of crap. It was terrible. Do not go to book two after ready player one. We're just going to tell you right now, we're going to save you that audible credit.

Do not do it. It was bad. It was bad. That was just bad. Oh man. But, uh, I'm glad that I'm glad that I have a, a, a brother in Charlie who's out there doing his, his audible side. You know, I really do. I appreciate that. And, uh, the Scalzi stuff, you know, here's the deal with, with, uh, red shirts.

I, I don't know why I don't want to listen to that book. It might be because we'll Wheaton, like I was listening to his podcast and he was just like, Oh, that's the, the book that I wanted to do. And then it came out that there was another book. And so now I'm thinking like, now I'm like being a traitor to will, if I listened to this book, I don't know.

I don't know what, what came about from that, but, um, I have, I have about seven audible credits right now. So maybe I'll just go get it and see if Brian's right, because generally he is, I will give Brian credit. He, he, he does pick good books except for the fucking Dune series.

Dude. They're amazing. You're never allowed to read those again. And that Stephen King shit. Some of his stuff is crap, but most of it's good. Anyways, uh, final comment that we got. Uh, it's my turn. Damn it. Julian writes the grumpy old geek podcast should not be the best of up to speed.

I, for the first time deleted your Friday podcast before finishing it. That's right. Would you shut up? That's, that's why we decided you were going to read the comment because I'm going to be the one that responds to it because you're, you're just going to fucking blast him a new asshole. No, I'm not. This is Brian.

This is in your court. Well, well, here we go. Here's the deal, Julian. I'm sorry that you feel that way. We're still, we were two weeks into doing up to speed. We're still trying to figure out exactly what it is supposed to be, uh, what the flow is going to be, what kind of stories are up to speed stories and what kind of stories are more for our weekly grumpy old geeks podcast.

Uh, bear with us on that. Um, but there's always going to be a bit of crossover. How could there not be? Uh, we're going to, the up to speed thing is supposed to be like, we're going to do 10 to 15 stories that you need to know for the day. Some of them are going to be really big stories that we're going to want to talk about more on Friday. And there may be updates as well.

So there's going to be some crossover deal with it, deal with it. You can find us on Twitter at GOG podcast or on Instagram at grumpy old geeks or on Patreon at patreon.com slash GOG. We have a website, shocking at grumpy old geeks.com where you can listen to shows, leave feedback or better yet ask us questions that we can read on the air.

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And it will take you right there at the library. I would like to say I read some new books this week. I've got a stack on my bedside, actual real physical ones, plus a couple on my Kindle, a bunch of really good sci-fi.

Enough with the guy that I've got to have a physical book and on the Kindle. Come on. I'm not dyslexic. Well, you can still listen to a book when you're on your bike ride. You don't have to be a jerk about it. Well, that's why I listen to podcasts. Oh, like ours. Perfect.

Yeah. I always listen to our stuff. Anyways, I did read a book this week and I was very accommodating with Jason's crazy crises today and recording late. And I'm hoping that he will do the same for me in the future because the book I read was Be Prepared, a Practical Handbook for New Dads.

Because you got your girl knocked up. Yeah, that is happening. So I'm trying to read up on it because I've not been in this situation before. So, yeah, the entire future is now different. The entire future is now different.

And if you ever, ever give me shit about posting a picture of a puppy, I will kill you. Because you are going to be doing the exact same thing. No, no. I will actually say right now, Jason, that if I start to post too many pictures of...

Too many? What's too many? Is that like porn? Like you know it when you see it? Do we have to relate porn to a discussion about having a child? No, I'm talking about... Porn, that probably wouldn't have happened. Anyway, true that, true that. No, I will rely on your discretion to go ahead and tell me, hey, man, stop that.

See, here's the thing. If you told me to stop it, I wouldn't because I love my puppy. And you're going to love your child. I only told you not to post it on the Grumpy Old Geeks Instagram. I only did it once. Because people needed to see what Bam Bam looked like.

And I did it once. And then I walked away. APD, not me enough. Excuse me. I walked away when I was done with that first post. That was it. Because it was germane to the conversation. But anyway, my friend, I congratulate you heavily and heartily.

And I cannot wait for you to have as little sleep as I have. Which means that we will probably have to never do this show again. Yep. Yep. Might be the end of the show. We'll see. No, I... Seriously, it might be the end of the show. Do it, the up to speed thing.

Well, we'll see how that pans out. Yeah, so congratulations. Is it a good book? Yes, actually. I was going to... I've also... Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the book. So why don't you tell me about... Is the book any good? No, this is actually great. Like, what to expect when you're expecting. I mean, that's kind of the gold standard, right?

And that's mostly for chicks, really. I mean, there's some stuff in there. This is a down and dirty, this is the real deal, here's what you're going to have to deal with, man up book. No, this is... My sister gave this to me, actually. She got it for her husband when they were expecting their first child, my nephew.

And she said she bought us a joke. And then the husband said, it's not a joke. This is what every new husband needs to read. Okay. And I'm going to tell you right now, there will be poop. Oh, I know. That's... Lots and lots and lots of poop.

Dad, welcome to fatherhood. Yeah, I'm going to go get a beer now because I'm not going to be able to in a couple months. We'll be right back. Enjoy a word from our sponsors.

Software, apps, and gadgets. I bought a drone. Yes. I bought the Hubsan H5-01S-X4-FPV brushless drone. Talk about a stupid name for...

Glad they've sorted out branding for these products and coming up with cool names. Yeah. No, I bought this from the Boing Boing store because they've been doing a bunch of stuff. And the funny thing about the Boing Boing store, if you don't know this yet, it's exactly the same as the Laughing Squid store because they're all friends and they share the same damn store.

But the difference was I got the email about this drone sale earlier than the Laughing Squid store. So, you know, Shani and Corey got the money instead of, you know, Laughing Squid. So I got it. It's coming. I can't wait for it.

It's got a really good camera. But what it has for me is the follow me function. So I can, you know, I got to get the app. Finally, something will listen to you and follow you. Yes. Oh, man.

You are just... I don't know what we're going to do at this meetup tomorrow. We just might have to go out back and have some Fight Club action. All right. Anyway, I'm looking forward to getting it. And as soon as I do, I'll be posting stuff to our Patreon page at patreon.com slash GOG.

I'm looking forward to this. I talked to you a couple of weeks ago about wanting to get a drone as well. So you beat me to it. I'm looking forward to your review. And if you like it, that might be... I might end up getting it as well. So we'll see. Apple iOS 9.3 came out this week.

We've all updated. I just want to report for the regular listeners, Bluetooth did not turn on. Exactly. Okay. So do we have a consensus here? So is it the odd numbers that don't turn on, just only the evens, kind of like Star Trek? I think so. Yeah, it's one good movie, one bad movie.

Yeah, I think so. I think that's pretty much how it works. Yeah. Night Shift is amazing, though. Night Shift is really nice. I'm loving it. Except I found out on my iPad Air 1, it really does kind of flicker a lot. Right. I was watching some Daredevil on Netflix last night because Daredevil Season 2 is out and I'm loving it.

But it was flickering a ton with the Netflix app. So it's not perfect yet, but it still works really good. Maybe they can go talk to the Flux guys that they screwed over and figure out a way to get it to work right. Yeah, the Flux guy is one guy. Sorry, Flux guy.

And we've also talked a lot in the past about the different sites that are out there that you can sell your equipment to, your old stuff, your old iPhones, your old iPads, whatnot. Apple has launched their own program now, which is pretty cool. It's called the Apple Renew Program. And pricing is competitive.

I've had a couple things that I've been thinking about getting rid of. It's actually basically better than Amazon or better than Gazelle. Better than Gazelle? Yeah, better than Gazelle. No way. Yeah, the prices are better. And it's also got the convenience of you can just take him to a store near you.

You don't even have to do the shipping, which is super nice. Yeah, no, I go to the Apple store like, you know, a couple times a week. So that's good. I didn't know it was better than Gazelle. That's great. Yeah, yeah, I priced out. I've got an iPad 2 that I've been wanting to sell and the prices, the best price I got was through Apple's program.

So kudos to you guys for launching it and for making it competitive. That's awesome. No, that's really awesome because I've got that iPad Air 1 I have to get rid of. I've got an iPhone 4. I've got an iPhone 5S. I've got like all of these Apple things that I need to get rid of because I need to go get my new Apple Pro.

One of the reasons that I think Apple is able to make it competitive and probably could actually pay even more is unlike Gazelle and other services, they aren't trying to resell. They don't care about reselling the stuff. They want the stuff that's on the inside. They want the parts. Yeah, because they have that crazy new robot that they, you know, talked about this week on their whole thing.

Yeah. So, yeah, they're just going to take the guts and resell it. So they're going to resell the phone that you just sold them back to you. And that's pretty much what they do. That's fine.

Media Candy. You mentioned the new season of Daredevil. I've been watching that as well. It's actually fantastic. I think I'm four episodes into it now. I just got to number four this morning. Yeah. And I'm sorry, I'm watching it on my iPad. Okay. Well, you do.

Here's the funny part. I have a 52-inch TV in my bedroom. You're right. It was easier to watch it on my iPad because the dog was going crazy. Okay. I'll never understand. But I love the show. I love the show. I think the writing...

Here's the deal about the new season of Daredevil. The Punisher is classically one of the worst characters in comics history. All right? Okay. You know, you cannot get a good Punisher movie. I mean, was it Hasselhoff was the Punisher? Give me a break.

This guy who was the, you know, the buddy sidekick in The Walking Dead in season one and two, he's the Punisher in this. And he was amazing. And the dialogue that they gave him, I had chills.

When he was talking about his family dying, I had chills. It was just unbelievable. It has been well done. I've enjoyed it. And there's less Kung Fu for people like you, Brian, who don't like Kung Fu. I don't mind some Kung Fu. And even you admitted that it got a little ridiculous last season.

It did. It did. But, you know, still, go back to Daredevil season one, episode two, and watch that scene in the hallway. And you will just be like, that's amazing. Yep. No, very. Okay. Yeah, it's fine. It's all good. I'm really enjoying the second season. The other thing I was super surprised about, I got all the way through House of Cards season four, and it was good.

Yeah. No, it wasn't good. It was great. After the season three, season three was a debacle. It was a debacle. I was convinced I was never going to watch the show again, but I got sucked in. And, yeah, it was very, very good. And I just love the website that they launched, FU 2016.

I didn't even notice that. It's so good. It's a good waste of some time. Yeah. See, that's the thing that most people didn't even figure that out until, like, recently. It's like Frank Underwood, FU. FU. That's why he has the, what are the hell those things they're called because I never wear suits.

They're called, shit, I even forgot. Not. Damn it. Anyways. Whatever the hell they are, but they say F and U. It's very funny. X-Men Apocalypse star, Lucas Till.

Now, I don't even remember him. I'm looking at him now. He's a pretty boy. I can see this casting. Unfortunately, we're getting another reboot. They're rebooting MacGyver and he is the new MacGyver. Oh, you know what? Here's the deal about MacGyver. I never liked MacGyver. I love it.

I didn't give a shit about MacGyver. I loved it. It was good. I'm not looking forward to the reboot because I don't think it'll work in this day and age because now you could just Google everything that he did. But here's the issue with MacGyver and what we just went through with The Punisher.

If the writing is good, the show is good. So if they have a good team behind doing this reboot, maybe I'll like MacGyver now. I don't know. If they don't give him a mullet, I'm not watching. Well, the picture that you sent, he has a mullet.

It's close, yeah. Party in the... What is it? Business up front, party in the back. Yes. The best hairstyle ever. The worst hairstyle ever. The new Underworld album is actually out in full now. They are one of my favorite bands. It's great.

It's so good. Anyways. Oh, yeah, yeah. Did you ever figure out what Barber, Barber, We Face a Shining Future means? Beyond the fact of gushing over the new album, this is the point in media candy. I did figure out what it means. I thought it would be some quote. I thought it was like some quote from some crazy sci-fi movie.

It's not. This is actually quite touching. Rick Smith, who is the main keyboardist, a guy who writes almost all the music, Carl Hyde is the lyricist. Rick Smith came up with the title of the album through his father, which is one of the last things he said before he died.

Carl Hyde in an interview said that Rick's mother's name is Barbara and said that she was fearful of the future without him. And that's when his father said to her that quote that would then become the title of the album. Oh, damn. I need a tissue now. That's it. Is that not beautiful? That's pretty fucking amazing.

I think we might have to do We Face the Shining Future is the title of this episode. We're on of the week. I'd like to personally thank all you anti-vaxxers out there because you've done what science has basically tried so hard to stop you from doing.

You've brought back measles and whooping cough. I think it's me. Whooping cough. Whooping. Oh, another thing I'm saying wrong. Exactly. Whooping cough. Yeah. Researchers at Emory and John Hopkins University have determined through a National Institute of Health review that the rise in measles is directly attributable to vaccine refusal.

Did you hear that? I think you fuckers don't seem to get it. I think everybody in the Southern California area probably heard it. Well, good, because there's a lot of these assholes in Santa Monica and I hope they fucking heard it.

The web's not dead. Oh, no, it's not. Winter is trumping. Winter is trumping. I don't really care what your political views are. Even if you're for Trump, this is quite possible.

Well, if you're for Trump, then go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Honestly, go fuck yourself. Yeah, I agree. This is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in my life. This is so damn well done. This is so funny. This is so well put together. Kudos.

This is one of the best videos we've ever seen. It'll be in the show notes. Go to grumpyoldgeeks.com slash 153. Yeah. Scroll down and check it out because it is hilarious and it sums everything up. It sums everything up.

It is spot on. There's, yeah, perfect. Well done, guys. Well done. Well done. And in other Web's Not Dead news, we talk a lot about the death of journalism. One thing that I would say that the internet has helped with and a journalistic style that is not in any danger would be the irony and the onion style of journalism.

Okay. Because that is doing very well. Even though the onion is owned by the crazy man. Yeah, I know. That's an unfortunate thing. But apparently there's also one called the Beaverton. Okay. We're going to a site called the Beaverton.

North America's trusted source of news. It's obviously Canadian. There's the maple leaf right there. Okay. Okay. I'm very connected to the Canadian music industry. And I talked briefly about Gian Gomeschi when he first was accused of the sexual assaults and et cetera, et cetera.

He has gone through his whole trial. He managed to get off because women cannot apparently be sexual. You know what? You should say that he was found innocent instead of saying getting off because there's a real big difference. That's true. So anyways, there's nobody I know that doesn't know he's guilty and thinks he's guilty.

Oh, really? People are very upset about this and I stayed out of saying anything about it because I just did. But then all of a sudden I saw this article and it encapsulates my opinion perfectly. Nation's women fucking done with this shit. Tagline Canada.

Sources report that the nation's women are so fucking done with all this goddamn bullshit. If you assault women, it's your fault and your problem. Fucking get it together or get the fuck out. We're not doing this anymore. Okay. So here, this is the issue with like sending me a link and not giving me backstory because I thought this guy is the one that wrote the article.

This is the women of Canada writing the article. It's the women of Canada have gotten together and put together an article and I think it's worth the read even though it is tongue-in-cheek and obviously very funny. They're telling the truth. Okay. So this guy, you firmly believe that he did it.

Yes. Okay. Well, there we go. We're going to go with that and also Jared from Subway is now serving. He's serving stakes to prison guards. So, you know, there is some justice in the world. Yes.

Are you kidding me? Love it. I am a huge fan of David Letterman now that he's in retirement because... I was a huge fan of him back when he did the show. I was not.

I never really liked David Letterman. He was not my guy. You know, he was not my guy. Craig Ferguson was my guy. Jay Leno was obviously not anybody's guy. Johnny Carson was my guy because I grew up when, you know, people were old.

But it came out this week on CNN that David Letterman is down in the islands, you know, probably hiding money. but he looks unbelievably not like David Letterman.

He's bald with a giant beard and having a great time. He's got the biggest smile on his face. He's just like... If his smile could be translated with a Google Translator bot, it would say, fuck you, I'm happy.

Yeah. I'm actually upset with the photographers that went and found him and then took this picture. He is done. He retired. He does not care. He is out. He is the anti-Jay Leno. He always was anyways. But Jay Leno... You know why?

Because he had talent. David Letterman had talent. Jay Leno has none. Jay Leno, who can't effing retire. And every time he retires, he comes back with another show or is trying to get on another goddamn show or trying to show up on somebody else's show. Go away, Leno. Nobody likes you. Yes. No, no, nobody likes you.

I would say he's been back in two seconds, but he obviously does not give a F. No, he doesn't. And you can say he does not give a fuck because this is our show. But he does look like a bad Santa. He does. He's got the rosy cheeks. He's bald. He's got the big white beard.

I just... I love the fact that he is happy. You know, that's one of the things that, you know, Jay Leno is not happy because he is quote-unquote retired. How many times? And he feels the need to come back and keep working.

David Letterman is like, I'm going for a jog on an island. Kiss my ass. You know? Look, and if you're listening, Mr. Letterman, if you do want to come back, Bad Santa was a good movie. Bad Santa 2 with you as the lead, even better. Even better.

Even though I think there was a Bad Santa 2 so he could come back for Bad Santa 3. There was a 2? Oh, God. Closing shout-outs! I don't generally care about Twitter accounts, but I'm going to... Oh, give me a break.

You are the Twitter big defender on the show. No, I don't care about individual Twitter accounts. Okay. So, there is a Twitter account called Black Metal Cats, which I think is genius. You know, I mean, I've talked about a couple of them. I've talked about Samuel L. Startup and, you know, the other ones, but this one is pictures of cats with death metal lyrics to go alongside them.

And it just puts a smile on my face every time they make a post. I cannot say anything bad about this Twitter account. They are amazing. And there's no affiliate links. They're not doing... They're doing it for the fun of it, which is amazing.

Unlike us, we affiliate link the crap out of this stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. Pay us some fucking money because we're broke. I just... These guys... Hey, I got a kid on the way. I got some mouths to feed people. Yeah, yeah. Yes, you do. pasteround.com slash GOG. Yeah, so that's your shout-out.

Okay, Black Metal Cats. I have to do a shout-out to Gary Shandling. He passed away unexpectedly yesterday. And it wasn't our fault. I want to put that out there. This was not our fault. Ever mentioned Gary Shandling on this show? Yeah. But he... I mean, if you talk about an icon that...

I remember vividly when the... It's... What was the first one? This is the Gary Shandling show. Yeah, the Gary Shandling show. It was on HBO early, early in the day, and I remember my parents letting me stay up to actually watch it because it was just so damn weird and so damn funny.

No, he's an icon. He's a complete icon in comedy, and I watched every episode of his show like way back in the day. And the Larry Sanders show when he did that, which was also effing genius. And I mean, he created... There would be no office. There would be no Ricky Gervais if it weren't for Gary Shandling.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Ricky Gervais would not be able to post pictures of himself half naked in his bed, which he did last night, which was weird, without Gary Shandling. Gary Shandling was... He was the first like supreme dry comedian.

Yeah. You know, I think because at least in our generation. I'm not going to say he's the first one, but he was so dry, but he was also so astute about what he was talking about. And he took the art form into breaking the fourth wall, which nobody had ever really done successfully.

Successfully being the operative work. Yeah, people have tried to do it, but yeah. But you have to be his level of comic genius to be able to pull that off. And he did. And he will be missed. I mean, I know he out out of public life, much like Letterman is now. He didn't really show up.

He wasn't doing anything, but my God, your body of work. Unbelievable. Unbelievable body of work. Yes, he was so good. And it's really sad that he's gone. When I saw it come through my feed this morning, I was just like, it was one of those ones where I'm just like, really?

Am I being punked? Because he was so young that I didn't really think there was anything wrong with him, you know? Anyways, we will have a drink to him tomorrow. Yeah, we will toast him. Tomorrow, if you want to come on down, please do. We will see you there.

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