141: Should Auld Grumps Be Forgot

Grumpy Old Geeks. A weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and who's to blame. Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks for January 1st, 2016.

My God, it's 2016. My God, it is 2016. We're actually recording this on New Year's Eve day on December 31st because, Brian, you are up in the land of Torontonians, aren't you? Yes, yes. I'm actually recording live from my in-law's basement in some suburb of Toronto.

Yeah, and I'm going downtown to spend New Year's Eve with some friends, and it's entirely unsure as to what time I will be getting back up here tomorrow, so I figured it's better to record today. Excellent. Yeah. You go out on New Year's Eve. I stay home. I'm usually in bed by 9 o'clock. Well, I don't really go out anymore. It's always kind of a conundrum what I'm going to do if I'm stuck in L.A. for New Year's.

We just go over to a friend's house. We have about 10, 15 people show up, big potluck, lots of booze, hang out at the house. That's it. Take it easy. All right. Sounds decent. Yeah. No, just stay home because it is, you know, this is kind of an interesting episode because we did an episode with Sean Bonner.

I did an episode with Sean Bonner. Yeah, I heard you did. Where is that? The interesting thing about that is in between recording that episode and having time to edit it and publish it last week. That's why we were kind of dark last week. We planned to be dark, but we thought, oh, hey, let's try and do a grump on grump. Well, in between recording and editing, I got a puppy.

I saw you have done the most updates you have ever done ever on social media or at least Facebook. I think it was in the last few days since you got the puppy, you have done more updates on Facebook than the entire time that Facebook has existed. I think so, too. Yes, I am. I'm a very proud dad.

So maybe all those updates, you might win that Zuckerberg million dollar award that apparently that they even said it's true on Good Morning America. You fucking retards. Bring me up to speed on this because I've been posting, but I haven't been reading because, like I said, I got a puppy.

Oh, there was some sort of thing where if you copy another one of those copy and paste bullshit messages that show up on Facebook. So everybody was copying and pasting because due to the windfall and Zuckerberg's generosity with his new child, if you post the status message at midnight tonight, he will award 10 people with a million dollars or something like that.

And this has come in a couple of waves. And at the very end of it, it adds. We know I know this is true because I saw it on Good Morning America. People are actually buying into this stuff still. It's a good way to figure out who you should defriend and or block. Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, with this puppy thing, it's been it's been interesting, to say the least.

She was had a pet before. I've had probably 10 dogs and eight cats. OK. All right. Just checking. Yeah. No, but I've never had a Rottweiler puppy. She's a full bred Rottweiler and she was seven weeks old when I got her, which is a little young, unfortunately.

But the people that were that got her were letting they couldn't have her because of their kids. Their kids were having nightmares about it because the idiots were stupid enough to show show them a picture of what she was going to look like when she was all grown up. Which, yeah, cue nightmares and and she's teething.

So she's very bitey. Yeah. So they were they needed to get rid of her quick. And I'm like, oh, I don't want her to go to a bad home just because they're trying to get rid of her. So it's it has been a trial. Very, very optimistic of you, Jason. And I would I would have to say that I have two thoughts regarding your puppy that have come to me over the last week.

First off, you've definitely never had a pet in the social media age before, because, like I said, wow, that's a lot of puppy photos. Actually, if you go back to kind of pre-social media, I had I had pictures of my cats up all the damn time back in the early days, all the time. It was Flickr.

All my all my cat pictures were on Flickr. Yeah. And then my second thought was make sure puppy never hears. You should never go back and listen to some of our older episodes where you talk about shooting dogs or wanting to. I've actually got a book that. So the first thing I did was I started texting Tim Ferriss.

I'm like, dude, I know you've been doing this dog thing for six months. Send me everything you've got. So he sent me a book and the book has the worst title in the world. It's called Don't Shoot the Dog. Well, no, I think that's a good one for you, Jason. Well, I'm not going to shoot the dog. I love my dog.

She's adorable. OK. Somebody actually said I should name it should have named her adorbs. But now I have you studied up on what's been going everywhere on social media today, which is how to keep your pet in not going crazy for fireworks for New Year's Eve. I have not because I've been actually out playing with the puppy to, you know, try and socialize her and have a nice time.

Well, you might want to study up a little bit before before this evening. OK, I will. But I have to say, whoever invented crate training, they're my hero. They are my hero. If I'd have known about this long ago when I had my other puppies, life would have been a lot easier.

Well, it's not become a pet podcast. No, it will not become a pet podcast. I will have another podcast for that, probably. Oh, great. Hey, man, here's the deal. If you get it, it's us. You know, you get into a hobby. You have to you have to make a blog. You have to make a podcast. You have to have social media accounts for everybody.

That's just how we do it. Excellent. Well, I'm looking forward to one more like on Grumpy Old Geeks from your from your dog's Facebook account. Excellent. Yes. Bam Bam will will be very, very active on social media. Great. Block.

Anyway, so, yeah, we've got I've got it in the can with the episode with Sean. We're going to get it out probably sometime next week. We'll we'll throw it out there. I was going to put it at the end of this, but I realized I went and looked at the episode.

Sean and I talked for over an hour, so it's a very long episode. So I want to cut it down a bit. All right. You do that. I was about to say you could tack it onto this because we don't really have that much. We've both taken a little bit of a vacation. There is a very good chance if you get to the end of this podcast and realize that it's going really long.

Stay to stay stay tuned for Sean Bonner and I doing a grump on grump. Excellent. So we've talked about drones and all this stuff in the past, and I found a link on Facebook. It's basically a drone bird.

These guys have had made a remote controlled bird that looks extraordinarily lifelike. It's a pretty cool video. It's a very cool video. It will be in the show notes at grumpy old geeks dot com slash one forty one. And I speculated that the NSA is probably already bought like ten thousand of these just to have have them up there.

It's like, oh, that's not a that's not a drone. That's a bird. It's a bird. It's a plane. It never lands. Yeah, it's a bird that never lands. It's drone man. Yeah. And I was just going to say, since this is the New Year's Eve episode and what we end up doing every New Year's across all magazines everywhere is talk about New Year's resolutions.

And one that always seems to come up, especially in this day and age, is leave it at the office. A New Year's resolution you'll actually keep. This is an article in Slate. Apparently it's a new one, though. It might as well be recycled from the past 10 years, although actually it is new because I see that they're kind of giving up.

It used to be like just work from nine to six and then go home. This one goes, here's a New Year's resolution. Try to stop working from home at 9 p.m. So we're just giving up. That's yeah. The thing of the thing about it is, you know, you just it's never going to change.

It's never going to end. No, once you've opened that Pandora's box of that, I mean, this is what we're doing to ourselves with all this technology. It's supposed to make life easier and whatever. All it does is mean we're we're reachable and available 24 seven and everything takes advantage of that. So, yeah.

Yeah. I just think if, you know, a judicious use of do not disturb. Yes. Is really good because that way you can you can, you know, actually look somebody in the eye and say, I did not get your message because it was 10 o'clock at night and your phone wasn't actually talking to you.

Yeah. I mean, the key is really not to look at your phone. You can have the phone on you all you want, but they will see that you read the message if you keep checking it. Right. Oh, that's another thing that you should turn off is send read receipts in if you use an iPhone. Sending read receipts is what lets people know that you have actually seen the message.

So if you turn that off, you still have plausible deniability that you haven't actually seen the message, even if you had and you just would rather watch some TV. So I say just make your New Year's resolution plausible deniability in the news.

So we talked a bit about David Lowery and his anger and frustration with Spotify and basically streaming services in general. More than a few times, he is the front man from camper van Beethoven and cracker. He has filed a $150 million class action lawsuit against Spotify.

Well, that's saying something. I think so. I read through this a little bit and we have the link in the show notes that kind of discusses the specifics of what he is actually suing on, which is things along the lines of that Spotify did not actually get correct mechanical licensing for music, which is probably going over a lot of people's heads that aren't in the industry.

It's an interesting case. I'm not entirely sure, having seen some of these contracts, that he's correct, but there is what we call wiggle room there. So I'm really glad he did this because I think, you know, again, sunshine and transparency is the only way that the music industry is actually going to be able to move forward.

And this might push things that direction. So why is he just going against Spotify instead of all of the streaming services? Because of the basically the way that you have to do class action lawsuits. You just can't sue them all. So you see the big boy. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the way that works.

That'd be interesting to see how that one shakes out for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be really, really interested in it. And it's cool that it's a class action lawsuit as opposed to him just doing it specifically because that means, you know, all the other artists can kind of plumb on board with this one. Yeah, we'll see. I'm definitely interested to see what happens with this.

It's going to be a pretty slow process, I believe. So we'll see. All right. Yeah. So there's that. I also, we've talked a lot about, especially you, because you've had your, you know, about online rights and things just basically being stolen, reappropriated.

We talked about Taylor Swift a bit two weeks ago. You've talked about personally your photos being kind of taken and used by people. Yeah. Flat out stolen and used as album art. Yeah, exactly. So I guess Madonna's in a bit of trouble. And of course it's not Madonna. This is Madonna's team.

Basically took an image done by artist Danny Cork of Springfield, Massachusetts. And Reddit has gotten involved in this and they're quite pissed off. Took one of his images, basically kind of cut and pasted Madonna's face over it and used it all across social media.

Very similar to Taylor Swift-y kind of thing. Okay. And so. They modified it. They at least modified the original piece and put Madonna's face on it. I believe. Well, yeah. But is that enough? I mean, we used to have these arguments all the time back in the burgeoning days of the internet.

How many changes do you have to make to something that is officially reappropriated enough to be legal? There was actually, yeah, there was actually a percentage of the piece that had to be, had to be remastered to make it your own. Yeah. I don't know if just looking at, looking at this image, it's a very small piece and it's not really substantially changing the focus of the artwork itself.

It's just changing a small piece of it because usually it has to be a transformative action that really gets you out of hot water. And this is not a, not a very transformative action at all. No, not at all. I mean, I seem to remember it was something along the lines of five significant changes, like color, scale, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And this is just basically, this is a cut and paste of Madonna's face over the art that was posted out there. And obviously she's just using this on social media. This isn't album artwork. This isn't anything that's actually technically making her money at this point, much like Taylor Swift two weeks ago, but it's still kind of messed up.

Yeah, it is. You could also say it's, I mean, he's got a case to say it's devaluing the, you know, the value of his original artwork. Yeah. And again, I feel like we're just kind of much, we're kind of giving up to a certain extent because what she should actually be doing is paying him for the art. Uh, but much like we said with Taylor Swift two weeks ago, uh, at least give him credit.

Yeah, seriously. You know, that's really what it, and, and it's kind of pathetic that we've come to that point where that's, that's, we're kind of going to go, okay, well, if you're going to use it on social media, at least give a credit and link and shout out to the original artist. When, you know, really, it should be paying up.

Yeah. Well, speaking of paying up, um, remember we talked about that, that, uh, Star Trek fan film Axanar a while ago. Yeah. Yeah. I think I, is that the one I watched? And I know there's another one that has the dude from Mythbusters.

I can't, I can't, I can't keep all the fan stuff apart anymore. Okay. Well, this one has, uh, you know, it's, I'm looking at the Indiegogo campaign. $168,679 was raised, uh, back in August. That's, I think that's when we talked about it. And I think over the course of it, cause they've done Kickstarter goals as well.

Oh, they've, they've raised over a million dollars to create this quote unquote fan film. Wait, hold on one second. You mean that they went to one crowdfunding source and got money and then they went on to another crowdfunding source and got more money and they still haven't delivered anything yet?

Oh, well here, here's the rub. Okay. So this one also, uh, here's, here's the deal with this one. It has Richard Hatch, Tony Todd. Oh, okay. Right. This is the, that one, Gary Graham. Um, so it's got, it's got professional actors, professional set, professional, you know, studio people.

It's a real effing movie. It is. And so Paramount and CBS are like, um, excuse me. The rights, the intellectual rights to all these things. Yep. Uh, yeah, it's, this is not a fan movie anymore.

Right. I mean, even that is kind of skating on thin ice and you know, there's an argument to let it go because it's increasing the brand and let the have fans have fun. You don't want to piss them off. Uh, but when budgets are getting up to a million dollars and you have real actors and it's a professional quality prequel, you got to pay for the rights to that.

Yes, you do. Oh boy. Uh, they're suing for $150,000 for every, uh, infringement. So it's like, they're basically saying we will crush you now. Yeah. We will crush you. We will, uh, we will cling on your ass around Uranus.

Yeah. And the, the filmmaker, the filmmaker is like, oh, we've been waiting for this lawsuit. I'm like, well, why didn't you just get the rights? You know, why didn't you pay for the rights or work with them to kind of build it? And I'm sure that they started like, you know, it's CBS and Paramount that, that process would take years to do anything.

But this guy's also, he, he has licensed stuff from CBS before he's a professional filmmaker. He knows what he's doing. So do you think this is just a promo play to get attention in Hollywood? You know, it's, it's kind of unknown to get a studio to hire him to make some sort of other sci-fi thing.

Well, the funny thing is there's, there's new Star Trek, there's a new Star Trek show in the works. So this could just be, you know, a very, very silly play for, for publicity. Yeah. Get me on to direct some of those. Well, I mean, I mean, it could be from CBS and Paramount's point of view to get some press for their new show, but their new show isn't even ready yet.

This has been going on for way longer before they even announced that though. Yeah. No, this whole thing is silly, but you'd think that with a million bucks, they could at least like say, Hey guys, can we, can we get permission to do this? Because it's like, I can't go out and make, you know, uh, let's go make a new Star Wars.

Yeah. Let's go make a new Star Wars. I, I, you know what I feel like today? I feel like making a new mission impossible movie, Brian, why don't you and I go fund that and make a new mission impossible movie? I mean, it's, it's so silly. I can get, I can get the music off the internets for free. Exactly. Yeah. We can get the theme song. No problem. You remember what happened with that theme song, right?

And mission impossible one. No. Oh, here's a great, here's a great copyright story. So the guy who, you know, composed the original mission impossible theme, they, they never contacted him when they did mission impossible one. Oh, and they did a remake of it.

Right. Like the first one with Tom Cruise, you know, the whole time, the whole Tom Cruise reboot with mission impossible. They never contacted him about the rights and he never did anything about it. He's just like, he sat back and waited and is just like, Hey, let's see what happens. Sure enough.

Boom. Theme song in the movie. Unbelievable. He got such a massive check and a big old smile on his face because they never, they never contacted him and he was well within his rights to do exactly what he did. He waited. Yeah. Because he didn't know if it was going to be in there and he went to the movie theater and he's like, that's my song.

And he went, ching. Yep. Pretty much. It's like, I'm moving to Maui. Again. I mean, this is the whole, this is the prevalent economy 2.0 theory, which is just go F and do it and to hell with anyone else and hope you don't get caught. Yeah. And that whole, you know, we were taught in art school.

It's better to, you know, ask for forgiveness than permission. Well, not always. Not always. It'll end up costing you quite a lot. Oh man. Yeah. All right. So let's get into, uh, into, uh, you know, my, my pet topic for all of 2015.

Let's talk Uber. Okay. So California has approved an app called flywheel. Uh, this is a basically developed, uh, smartly. So by, by, uh, I think a third party thing. And they went to basically all the regular taxi companies and said here, since you were so stupid that you couldn't figure out that, uh, the main reason that people love Uber is the convenience of the app.

Here's a version that'll work. It's just like Uber, except it's for regular, regular taxis. You can do everything that Uber does. In fact, you can even do more because you can book rides ahead of time, which is nice, which I, you know, I miss about, which I can't, I, I wish Uber had because things like, okay, I have to be, I have to get picked up at 4am to go to LAX.

How am I going to be sure that there's somebody out there with their damn Uber, but you can, uh, with flywheel in theory, you can, you can do that. Uh, so I giddy and happy. I was, as I went and downloaded the app and set myself up on it and put in my credit card and all the other things, just like you do for Uber.

And then the app didn't work and it kept saying it couldn't find a car anywhere and I gave up. Okay. So, I mean, it is brand new. I'll give it that. Um, so we'll see what it's like when I get back to LA when I never use cabs anyways. Okay. Yeah. That was the quickest shark fin in, in grumpy old gigs history.

Uh, you know, it's new. We'll see what happens. But, uh, yeah, I was, I was very happy and I think that they, you know, kind of did their promotions and publicity a little bit soon. Have it working first. Oh wait, we don't do that. No, we don't do that anymore. This is economy 2.0, put it out there and who cares if it works or not. Yes.

We've moved from the alpha. I mean, the beta to the alpha stage. It's like, Oh, Hey, it kind of, it boots. Let's, let's put it out. Exactly. So I'm here in Toronto right now where there is a bit of an Uber, uh, Uber fight and battle going on. Um, again, I don't hate Uber.

I don't hate Airbnb. I don't hate any of these economy 2.0 apps. Um, I just ask that they play by the same rules that everybody else does. And it's a level playing field and they've been getting away with not doing that and they get all butthurt about it. Um, so we're here in, in Toronto and, uh, there's a lot of protests going along because, uh, basically every year on the first, uh, uh, taxi companies have to pay their license fees and there's always a percentage hike.

Uh, this year, I think it's on January 1st, taxi drivers who want to renew their licenses here in Toronto face a 2.5% fee hike, uh, which is substantial. And you got to pay that out. If you want to be a taxi driver, guess who doesn't have to pay shit? Ubers and lifts and anybody else who's skirting the skirting the rules.

Exactly. So is that fair? No, no, it's not. So what are you going to do about it? Are you going to get out there with your sign? Are you going to pick it with them? Say equal equality for everybody, you know, put your, put your two cents in dude. It's cold out there. You big pussy. I'm not going out there.

No, it's not my battle to fight. What I do is I don't use Uber. That's, that's my battle. Okay. Uh, so yeah, I've been in the city, um, and I've taken a cab twice and I have not taken Uber yet. So Toronto is a great walking town. It's a great walking town. That's true. But, uh, when you have a, a meeting across town in 15 minutes, you're not going to make it and you have to do something.

Uh, so yeah. And, uh, basically in response to that, uh, there's a couple of weird things going on here in Toronto, which I like, uh, insurance agencies, just your regular car insurance agencies are starting to ask people, um, are you driving for Uber or is this just your personal car?

Because if you are driving for Uber, we're going to charge you a lot more for insurance. Yeah, well, they should. You're on the road more. As they should. So that's another way that Uber winners have been, or Uber drivers have been skirting basically regulations and costs and fees that, uh, more established agencies have to pay.

So that'll be changing here at least a little bit. And there's a definitely some move forward that, uh, the, uh, the city government here is going to be really looking into Uber and trying to figure out a way to make this a basically, uh, level playing field as they should be. So Uber will not be getting the free ride in Toronto that they have been getting for quite a long time.

All right. I thought, yes, I found an article that was right up your alley because you were putting all these Uber things in. I'm like, okay, it's last, last show of the year. I'll, I'll humor Brian and put in my own Uber. It's only because I am in Toronto and it's a big deal here right now. Okay. Yeah. Cause nobody here gives a shit.

I know. Uh, Shannon lists Riordan. Have you heard of her before? I have not. She's the woman leading, uh, she's, she's basically a, uh, the woman that's like leading the class action lawsuit against Uber Lyft and nine other apps that provide on-demand services.

I'm a fan of Shannon. Yeah. She is a, she is basically a lawyer for the peoples. Good. You know, she, she is a labor law lawyer and excellent. Oh, the labor laws. Remember those guys? Hey, Silicon Valley labor laws. Yeah. And in 2012, she won a 14.1 million judgment for Starbucks baristas in Massachusetts, uh, $325,000 to American airlines.

There's all sorts of stuff that she's been out there doing. You should look this woman up because I think you, you and her should go have a drink. I'm going to go send her a friend request. Yes, definitely. So this is, this is, they call her, uh, well, what was it? A sledgehammer Shannon.

Excellent. That's great. I love that. So the other big news story right about now is, is the so-called hoverboards, which by the way, people, they're not hoverboards. They are not hoverboards. They're basically mini, what are those things called? Mini Segways. They're Segways without any big tilt.

That's all they are. Yeah. And the funny thing is, Segway was sold to one of these companies. Of course it was. Yeah. Segway, Segway is gone. Dean Kamen is no longer involved. And now it's turned into annoying things you see at the mall. Um, yeah, yeah. These things are everywhere and they're not electric skateboards either because skateboards go the other way, not forward.

Exactly. Yes. They are not any of those things, but they are definitely not hoverboards. Now I'm a little torn on this. Um, I, obviously there are some issues. Uh, apparently the batteries can tend to explode sometimes. So we, that's the funny. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. Um, it is a weird story too, about how they kind of came to be.

Nobody really sort of knows. And this was explored on one or two podcasts. I can't remember the name right now, but if you're, it's interesting if you want to look into it and kind of go down the rabbit hole on these hoverboards. Um, but, uh, so airlines have basically said, uh, you're going to have to ship these freight. We're not putting these on planes, which is great.

Uh, I agree with that because if you know something has a tendency to explode, how about let's not put it on a plane? Yeah, definitely. Um, the problem with that being of course, that this was the big gift for a lot of people for the holidays. So there are a lot of people that need to get these things home now. It's called UPS people.

Yes. It's called UPS, including, uh, who's that, uh, crazy actor from Australia that gets in fights all the time as a band, Russell Crowe, Russell Crowe, apparently this morning tweeted that it was very upset because he could not take his hoverboards on the plane. Oh, we've got to get these goddamn hoverboards off our plane.

Get these motherfucking hoverboards off my motherfucking plane. Exactly. And the other big issue, at least in LA is there have been a number of laws that are going into play and have been enacted about these hoverboards, including, but not limited to that riders must be at least 16 years old to ride them.

And unfortunately this, uh, will go into effect January 1st. And, uh, basically everybody known to man bought this for their under 16 year old kids. Yeah. I've actually had a friend of mine brought her daughter over to the house. She's 12, 11 or 12, and she's got one and they were riding it around.

And, but it, you know, she's, that's the demo. That's the main demo. Except when we were in, uh, uh, when I went to Defcon or not Defcon, the DerbyCon, the hacker convention in Louisville, I saw a ton of people in business suits, riding those things to work.

Of course. A ton of them like full on business suits, like men and women. It was like a 50, 50 split. They were just cooking down the street. It's like, Oh, but yeah, it's mostly kids. So yeah, this is not going to work. It's, this is a stupid law. Well, the law of the timing is just horrible.

And people are of course kind of outraged about this because it's like, you could have mentioned this like, uh, two months ago when we were all purchasing them for our children. Cause they're not cheap. No, they're not cheap at all. Um, and then I also of course have the other issue with it, which is the same issue I have with electric bikes.

Uh, are, are we fat or not? Yes. Seriously. As a society, are we fat or not? Because how about just no electric power for these things to get around? How about you just get your fucking fat ass on the fucking bike or a fucking skateboard? The funny thing is though, I've never seen a fat person on one of these.

They can't balance on them. Maybe that's why I'm not, not getting one. Oh yeah. But now, you know what? You can buy a real hoverboard. It'll cost you almost 20 grand, but it has to be over a very specific surface though too, right?

No, it doesn't. Oh really? This one doesn't because I remember reading that there was one that worked, but it had to be over like an electrically charged metal surface. It wasn't electrically charged. It just had to be over metal. That's the one that they showed Tony Hawk riding. Okay. Yeah. That's that, that will float. It just uses, you know, electromagnetic meditation, uh, levitation to keep the board above it.

This is a big box of fans. It's all it does. It looks like a mattress. That's great. I want one. It's fans and batteries. That's all that's in this thing. And you can control it with your smartphone, but it's going to cost you almost 20 grand. Okay. Well, I don't want one that bad.

No, I don't either. I would much rather walk. Can you imagine you've spent the 20 grand on this? And then the next day there was legislation saying that you couldn't ride it. Exactly. That would suck. And it'll only go for three to six minutes. Oh Jesus. So yeah, it's like, okay, well it's, it's cute.

So call it, call us when it's 500 bucks. Exactly. Oh, but in other news, uh, we've always bitched about, uh, AT&T and cell phones and Verizon and all those people. Well, AT&T is finally getting a little bit more savvy. They're killing all of their two year contracts.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the, that's good. The bad part about it is you're not going to be getting subsidized phones anymore either. True. Uh, true. Oh yeah. They're basically doing it because they realized they could make more money selling you the damn phones. Yeah. Yeah. And their AT&T next plan and all that crap.

It's like, I did the math on it and it just doesn't work out. So I think from now on, I'm going to just go to Apple and buy the phone outright and just own it. And now, and now Apple's got their trade-in program where you can get money back on the phone that you've already got. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go in with, I've got like seven iPhones.

I'm going to take them all in and say, how much can I get for all of these? Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's where I've already gone. When I got the, uh, six, uh, success, I basically just bought it outright and that's that. So, uh, on the plus side, it gives me the ability to switch carriers easily if I'd want to, but you know, I, where I live, it's Verizon or nothing.

So yeah, for me, it's AT&T or nothing. Yeah. So there you go. Uh, yeah. So they, I, I like how it's an, it's a good study for me in how AT&T tries to present this as yay. This is good for you when really not so much. Yeah, no, this is them just trying what they figured out is, oh, people are finally getting savvy to us taking all their money and changing or going to somewhere else or figuring something else out.

So this is just a, yeah. We figured out a different way to take your money. Exactly. We're just going to charge you more over a shorter term than less for a longer term. That's exactly all it is. Exactly. Awesome. Security.

Are you registered to vote, Brian? Uh, yes. Well, then your data may have been leaked last week. Yay. Yeah. There's, there was a database running around of 191 million voter, uh, records. And the, this is an interesting story because it's kind of hard to nail down because the database is gone.

Nobody can seem to find it anymore. It was posted for a while then removed. Yeah. And it consisted mainly of public information that was already available in different, different places, but kind of compiled into one database. Compiled, related, uh, once it's got first name, middle name, last name, home address, mailing address, phone number, date of birth, party affiliation, and logs of whether or not you voted, which is interesting going back to 2000.

That is quite interesting. It's a very interesting database, but that's a lot of data to have about someone and nobody can figure out where it came from. Exactly. That is the most interesting thing. And it's really the only new news I've seen in the last couple of days, which is people going, uh, where did this come from?

Who owns it? Who put this together and why? Yeah, seriously. I mean, I understand why, because you know, people who are running valuable if you're running for office. Exactly. Yeah. You, you gotta know who to call, who are you going to call everybody? So yeah, it's, it's a weird one.

And that's, that's pretty much all I got for the main, the main information this week on security, because that really piqued my interest. The fact that this is kind of, it's a mystery. Yeah. It's a very mysterious database to begin with. And they're saying it's not a hack, just somebody found it somewhere and now it can't be found anymore because it's gone to the dark web.

I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. And this is a big deal. This is a big one. So we're going to keep an eye on this one for sure. I just wanted to, I just wanted to mention it because, you know, there's like 350 odd million people in the U S and 191, you know, registered voters. Hmm.

Yeah. That doesn't, that doesn't sound right to me. That sounds, that number sounds high. Well, no. Considering like 20% of the population turns out to actually vote. Well, there's a big difference between being registered to vote and actually voting. Um, I think that sounds fairly accurate to me, but who knows?

I mean, there's a lot you can, this is pretty serious demographic information that a lot of, um, you can make a lot of inferences about people from, um, especially when you're talking party affiliation and whether they actually did vote or not and with what frequency. So it's interesting. No, it's definitely an interesting data point.

What's not very interesting is, uh, John McAfee's new security product. He says it's an effing game changer. Fugitive presidential candidates. Jesus Christ, this guy's a nutbag. I love him though. I love him to death. Uh, the thing about this is what it looks like is he just recreated one password.

I need to dig into it a little more, but it's called every key. And, uh, next time we're going to have a little bit more, but it's going around now because I can't believe he's still calling himself a presidential candidate because nobody has heard from him in like weeks. Yeah. Because he's, uh, in Belize or something like that.

No, no, no. He's, he lives down south. Is he back? He's been back for years. Yeah. Okay. But he was just, he was, he was never, he was never indicted for murder, never charged. Uh, but he was a person of interest. And you know, he, he points out that like the Belize government wanted me to come in for questioning.

And when you go in for questioning in Belize, that's usually when they hang you from your ankles and beat you half to death. So he's like, I didn't want to get questioned. One generally doesn't come back. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I mean, this product seems a little ridiculous. I mean, it's basically one password except it's, uh, it's, it's wireless and it'll connect to the internet of things, which is great.

Oh, goody, goody gumdrops. Just what we need. Awesome. So if somebody steals your little gadget now, they can just go right into your house. So we will be back with a full-blown security segment next week. But, um, I just, I wanted to round out the year with, with a little McAfee.

Oh, who doesn't? Comment of the week. Thank you to our new Patreon supporter, Jeff Bisbee. We appreciate it. Woohoo! Gonna buy me some champagne for the new year.

Champagne. Yeah. Uh, and then we got a message via grumpyoldgeeks.com. This is from Miranda. Uh, you often talk about the fall of, quotes, the album, end quote. But have you heard of the band Baroness? They still elevate the concept of a musical album and have a strong visual style to back it up.

The story of their latest album, Purple, gives some good insight into their process. And there is a YouTube link. Also, Happy New Year and thanks for the show. Well, thank you, Miranda, and, uh, Happy New Year to you as well. Happy New Year for sure. I have not listened to Baroness. I'm guessing Jason probably has. I love Baroness. Uh, the Blue album is always in heavy rotation when I'm working.

It's a really good, heavy, nice, nice album that's just got meat to it. And, and she's right. They really do. Their entire album is just kind of soundscapes that all mesh together. And like each song kind of rolls into the next song that rolls into the next song. And it really is like a full album production.

There aren't really many, what you would call like, you know, standalone tracks. Yeah. There's no singles. Uh, what kind of music is it? It's kind of like, it's not metal. It's kind of like industrial noise. Not, not, not, not, maybe not industrial. It's, it's like guitar rock, but kind of meets industrial.

It's kind of heavy. Right. Okay. I know a few bands and kind of the old industrial and electronica thing that sort of do the same thing. So I like that sort of stuff. So yeah, that's cool. I mean, I like artists that do that, but you know, are they making enough money to make a living doing their music? I don't, well, apparently they're still making albums, so it's good for them, but yeah, go check out the blue album on Spotify.

Uh, I shall. Okay. Yeah. And, and just put it on in the background and listen to the whole thing. It's really good. It's a, it's a really good album to work to. Excellent. Jake writes also from grumpy old geeks.com geeks just finished all four available X heroes books and really enjoyed them. The first three were great, but the fourth was a little rough since quote spoiler alert.

Three quarters of the book was spent reading about St. George being a janitor. It wasn't bad, but it departed too radically from the way all three previous books were written. I also read the milkweed triptych and listened to ready player one and really enjoyed them all. Do keep up the book recommendations. Finally, any chance you guys could do a supplemental spoiler cast that discusses the new star Wars movie.

I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks again. Respectfully CPT Jake for shit. Thanks Jake. Uh, actually, I think that's captain Jake for shit. Captain, I believe. Yeah. Uh, Jason, we actually haven't talked about this. I don't know if the moratorium over doing spoilers for star Wars is over yet.

You know, it's a tough one to, it's a tough one to call. We're going to have a little star Wars chat, uh, coming up soon. So we might tell people to, yeah, to skip ahead when we get to that. I don't think we're going to do a full spoiler cast. I don't think I'd want to do that about star Wars. We had talked about doing it for like Mr.

Robot and things like that. I think maybe for a, we could do spoiler cast for a book or a series. I don't know if star Wars is really the one that we'd want to do that on. So, and it's been done, you know, everybody else is talking about it to death. So we're going to skip that one. We'll just give you a few impressions later on when we get to media candy.

I think. Right. Yes, sir. Uh, as far as the ex heroes go, I totally agree with you. Uh, I love the first three. The fourth was a little bit rough. I, because basically I, I St. George is super interesting later on with what's going on, going back to his past.

Well, not really his past from what I remember, but I won't get to too many spoilers. I did find that book four dragged a little bit, but they saved it at the end. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed all four. And, um, I'm in the middle of the second, uh, milkweed book right now and still loving that too. Oh, that stuff is so good.

I'm glad it is really good. I need to go back and reread ready player one because I kind of forgot most of it. And it, cause I thought the followup was so shitty. God, the followup was so crap. Don't bother with Armada. Uh, but yeah, that was just a, that, that, that was one of those things like the matrix where I didn't know anything about it going into it and was just blown away.

So that was so good. Um, yeah. So thank you very much, Jake. And, uh, anybody else you can find us on Twitter at GOG podcast or on Patreon at patreon.com slash GOG. Uh, we have a website where you can listen to shows, leave feedback, or better yet, ask us questions that we can read on the air.

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Software apps and gadgets. Yeah, we were just joking off the air that, uh, we do not have an at the library section this week because we're kind of on book hiatus, even though we just had a, a great, uh, great fan comment about our, uh, at the library segment, but we're taking, we're taking this time off to actually take some time off.

So I haven't read a damn thing. Yeah, I've been, I haven't read it all. I had intended to spend a lot of time reading over the holiday, but it's just been a family and friends. And I basically have consumed nothing but a meat, sugar, and alcohol for a week straight. So reading didn't really work into the equation.

Yeah, no doubt. Uh, but I do have, uh, I had to replace a gadget. So I wanted to talk about my little gadget first here for a second. It's the Kershaw Ken onion, black leaks, serrated folding knife with speed safe. Okay. I've had, I've had this, uh, I've had Kershaw Ken onion knives, their pocket knives for about 10 years now.

And one of them finally died on me and it was because I tried to oil it and I used, uh, some gun oil on it because I was, I, that's the only oil I had and yeah, it kind of broke it. So if you have one of these, don't use oil, you know, just take it apart and clean it and put it back together.

Yeah. The oil kind of destroyed it. So I had to get a new one, but I got a black one this time. It's very nice. I highly recommend these. These are great little pocket knives. You don't really understand how much you use one until you have one. Then it's like, Oh, I can just always use my pocket knife there. And that's true. I actually, I agree with you there.

I do have a pocket knife. I don't have one that could possibly kill people as well, but I have a pocket knife and they're fantastic. Well, I mean, any knife can kill somebody. This isn't made for that. This is just a nice, you know, portable utility knife that I use all the time. The speed safe stuff with the assisted open, um, I would, if you, if you, want one of these knives check with your local government, because in some states they are thoroughly illegal in California, they are very legal.

This is a very legal knife to carry on me at all times because the, uh, the state legislature passed the law that said assisted opening knives are good for first responders, firemen, uh, ambulance drivers, things like that, because they can use, they can open the knife easily one-handed while they're, you know, working on somebody or doing something else.

So that's one of the, one of the few things the California government got right. But, um, in some States they are thoroughly illegal because it basically is a switchblade. It's actually faster than a switchblade. Now I have another one that I haven't gotten, and I don't think I'm going to get because it's really expensive, but I kind of like it.

It's called the quirky writer. It is a mechanical keyboard for your, uh, tablet device. Yeah, this has hipster written all over it. It really does. It's, it looks like an old typewriter, but it's 349 bucks. So you lost me there, but it's, it's kind of cool looking.

I got to give them that. It is cool. Does it make the noise? I don't know, but the return key is the little bar that you slide. Excellent. The return bar. It actually, yeah, that works as your return key. It's pretty cool. I'd like to see one in person to see how, how like actually well-made they are.

If they're just plastic, then that would be ridiculous, but this needs to have some metal in it. If you really want to see one in person, I guarantee you all you're going to have to do is go down to a Starbucks somewhere and like, uh, say Los Feliz. No, I got to go to Intelligentsia. Wherever the hipsters hang out. Oh yeah. Intelligentsia in Los Feliz. I guarantee you we'll be full of these next week.

There's no hipster in, in Los Feliz at a Starbucks. Sorry. They go to Intelligentsia for sure.

Media candy. Back to one of our most popular segments, my drunk on a plane movie reviews. Well, most popular in your mind. In my mind. The only time I basically ever watch movies is in the flying theater in the sky when I'm traveling. And that usually involves a couple Jack and Cokes.

Uh, so I've got two movies on my, uh, that I watched on my way out here to Toronto. I watched Vacation. Okay. The new, I take it. That's the remake, not the remake. Uh, if you watch this, you should be shot. Okay. Everybody that made this fucking movie needs to go die in a horrible plane crash or fire.

Uh, this is the steamiest pile of crap that I've ever seen in my entire life. It devalued. It was so bad. It makes me hate the original, which was genius. Oh, that's, that's funny. I can't tell you that from the commercial, but man, the only funny bits are in the commercial. Everything else is horrible. Uh, there weren't even that many funny bits in the commercial.

There weren't even that many funny bits in the commercial. You can see everything coming from 20 miles away. And when it comes, it's, it just falls and duds and isn't funny. So yeah, don't bother with that. Uh, and I watched Minions because I, I do enjoy those movies and Minions was fine. It wasn't as good as, as the, uh, the real ones are, but it was enjoyable.

And, uh, I, I chuckled a few times. Okay. That's what we got. All right. So that's all I watch. Uh, I'll, I'll have more when I come back. Hopefully they'll have changed the movies because that's how bad my selection was. Uh, and we all know my love of Matt Damon. Yes, you do.

Yeah. Yeah. So the LAist has a funny little article about, uh, all the amount of money that we spent fictionally rescuing Matt Damon. Okay. Because we apparently spent a lot of time saving Matt Damon in various movies. So, uh, over $900 billion we have spent fictionally saving Matt Damon.

And I'm just saying it's fucking Matt Damon. Let him die next time. He is. We have spent enough of my taxpayer money saving Matt Damon. Okay. Oh yeah. I forgot. I forgot about saving private Ryan. Yeah. That was a great movie, but yeah. Yeah. You gotta stop saving. Just let him go.

Let him go. $900 billion people. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Dude, step away from the microphone. Sorry. I'm, you know, I'm not in my normal surroundings. I can tell that you're getting very excited. You know, it's Matt Damon. Yeah. Uh, and then I have a link into, uh, Huffington Post, which I thought was actually pretty good.

It's, it's 40 unforgivable plot holes in Star Wars. The Force Awakens is sent to me by a friend of the show, Mike. Uh, though I did pick apart some of them already. And I was like, at least five of these, they did actually explain if you were paying attention. Well, it's the Huffington Post. They don't actually do real research. Exactly. Uh, and, and here's the point.

It could have had 400 plot holes. I didn't care. I walked out of that movie smiling my ass off. I loved it. Uh, yeah, I thought it was very good. It is easily the first movie within 20 years that I want to see again in a theater that I'm not, you know, going to wait to see again at home.

I will see this again in the theater and that's pretty high praise from me. Yeah, definitely. I'm going back. I saw it in IMAX 3D. I'm going to go back and see it again in IMAX 3D with a better seat than a crappy seat. But yeah, all in all, it was, I thought just, it was great.

Everything about it was great. It brought the magic back. It felt like Star Wars. Um, after seeing it, I went home and I threw on a DVD of, uh, you know, the horrible prequel, uh, the first one, and I couldn't sit through it. It was just horrible and all I wanted to do was go back and, and see, uh, JJ's version.

Um, it feels like Star Wars. It looks like Star Wars. It was surprisingly funny. Um, and I don't think we'll get into too many other spoilers. It's just really, really good. Yeah, that's it. I mean, I give it, uh, five lightsabers up. Oh Jesus. I know that was so bad. It was supposed to be.

Yeah, no, go see it. Seriously, just go see it. My dad, even who has not gone to the theater in, you know, probably 10 years and is so jaded because I, I took him to go see the first. Prequel when it came out and he, he walked out the door after the first seeing, you know, the Jar Jar Binks one. And he's just like, what the fuck was that?

Yeah. So mad. He was so mad. That's how I felt rewatching it too. Right after seeing the new one. So that was good. Uh, and of course, immediately after this came out, um, the, the story has been doing the rounds that a new space balls movie is in the works. According to Mel Brooks. Uh, this is a link via the Nerdist.

I personally am not buying it. I don't think this is going to get made. And yeah, I don't think it's happening. I don't think it's going to get made. I don't want it to get made. And I don't care even if it did get made. Cause I didn't really care for the first one. I thought it was reasonably funny, but I mean, this was the tail end of Mel Brooks making really good movies.

You know, Robin hood men in tights and space balls were probably the last that were kind of funny. And, you know, I love Mel Brooks. Don't get me wrong, but I think that things have moved on a bit and he doesn't have his pulse on the humor of, um, this culture anymore. As he used to no offense, Mel.

I mean, I'll watch blazing saddles once a year, every year until I die. Yeah. And young Christine and all your classics. So, yeah, no, he's, his, his prime has passed, but, uh, yeah, his classics are still classics. I agree. I've been watching making a murderer on Netflix.

So has everyone else in the effing world apparently, because I'd never heard that thing and I'm off of media and basically just, I look at Facebook every now and then and everything is making a murderer. What is this? Uh, so it's a story about a guy who went to jail for 18 years for a rape.

He didn't commit. And then is basically, basically I'm seven episodes in, I got three to go and it looks like he's being framed for a murder. Is this, is this a documentary? Is this fiction? It's documentary. It's real. It's all real. Everything about it's real. Um, and I'm not going to do any spoilers on it because I don't have any, because I haven't finished it yet.

I find it terribly boring for the most part. Some parts are interesting, but all of this like rave and review about it. It's like, this is the Netflix, the serial version for Netflix. And I'm just like, no, no. And basically taking the thunder of serial because nobody seems too into the new version of serial.

Uh, yeah. I mean, this is all I'm hearing about. People are raving about it and people are saying things about how they don't ever want to move back to the States because of this. Uh, I, I haven't seen anything. I have no comment. Yeah. I'll let you know next week if it's, if it's worth diving into, but if you're into police corruption, I think this is definitely worth watching.

And who isn't? Yeah. It's the whole thing. Um, so since I get really bored with that and I actually went and started watching Jessica Jones, yeah, you know, there were so many bad reviews about it that I'm like, okay, well then I can skip it. But then I started watching it. I'm two episodes in and I, I really like it.

I think it's really good. You heard nothing but bad reviews because all I heard was that it was great. Yeah. Okay. I haven't, yeah, I, I, I must've missed all the good reviews because everybody that I know said it was, it was, it was lame and I love it so far. That's great. I, I definitely, that is on my list of things to watch.

I've heard a lot about it. I want to get to it. Um, I don't believe it's actually available on Netflix here in Canada unless I, you know, go sneaky. Uh, but I'll wait until I get home anyways. I got too much to do here. Yeah. The one thing that I didn't know about it, uh, before when I was like, ah, I'm not going to watch it. Is that David Tennant is the villain and I'm like, okay, well, if, if David Tennant's in it, I'm going to watch it.

You know, I have a David Tennant rule. If he's in something, I watch it because I love David Tennant and, uh, he's not, he hasn't even really shown up yet. And he's already one of the creepiest villains I've ever seen. I mean, he's barely in it and he is, oh man, vicious.

So I think it's going to, I think it's going to be good. I'm, I can't wait to get, get into it a little more. Yeah. Okay. I'm definitely going to watch that. So I'm, I'm looking forward to it. Uh, the last thing we have for media candy is I found a link on fast company. Uh, this is about the science behind what music does to our brains.

This is actually, I was studying this in college because I kind of did a dual major music and psychology. So this is right up my wheelhouse. I put this in here because we've talked a lot about trying to basically get off podcasts as much as we are and kind of listen to music more. We talked about those wonderful headphones, which allow us to do so.

Uh, but this article is more specifically kind of about using music to augment creativity and throughout your workday as opposed to just listening to it. So that was really interesting. Uh, if you're into this and you kind of want to figure out a way to sort out, uh, a good creativity burst slash way to make it through your workday a little bit better.

Without distracting yourself. Uh, there's a lot of tips and tricks in here and a lot of science. So I'd highly recommend giving it a read. Awesome. I will definitely check that out because I like, like that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's awesome. Uh, we do have, actually, there's one final one that I just put in here. Um, you know, the mayhem guy from those all state commercials.

Oh yeah, those are pretty funny commercials actually. Yeah, they're funny commercials. And what they're doing now is he's going to recreate some, some of the best, uh, YouTube fails out there. So they're doing a, they're kind of doing a, uh, a contest. There are four people that they've picked and whoever wins the voting, he will, he will recreate it in a very funny way.

So now that is social marketing people. Well, you know what I, you know what I think this is. It comes back. It might even be the same team. Who knows? Cause it's a small world. Um, the, uh, what's his name? The old spice guy. Remember when they did the old spice a thon and like people would write, write in tweets and he would like recreate or like answer their tweets or recreate the tweets.

Exactly. That was, that was pretty good. So this kind of, this kind of harkens back to those days, but I'm looking forward to this one. I think it'll be fun. Oh, this should be fun. I have, I've really enjoyed these commercials. They actually did a really good job. So well done people. Yeah. And if you like the mayhem guy, I would recommend going back and watching HBO series Oz where he, uh, that's the first time I saw him and he's fantastic in that.

Excellent. Closing shout outs. Yeah. Well, like we said, it's going to be a short show. Uh, we've both really been kind of enjoying our vacation, but we figured we'd want to say hi and give you guys something. Uh, I've got some meat and sugar and alcohol to get to.

So, uh, we're going to clear out of here pretty soon. I just wanted to quickly just, uh, uh, ask you, Jason, if you had any predictions for the coming year. I have two. Okay. Um, not so much. I haven't even been thinking about it that much because you know, they get shoved down our throat so much.

I try and stay away from predictions because I'm, I'm generally wrong. You know? Well, I'm hoping I'm going to be wrong as well. Let me just toss the two out because I did spend a little time thinking about it doing prep for this show. Actually. Okay. Uh, I think there are two things that will dominate the headlines all year for us in tech.

I think the, the two big things are going to be, this is the year that VR Oculus Rift, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, is going to be shoved down our throats, whether we want it or not. Um, judging from most of the stats I've seen, not, not, this is not a formal poll by any means, but most of the people I talked to that went to see star Wars, they want 2d, not 3d.

So I don't think we're want VR. I think VR is going to be huge for gaming, but there were, this is the year where it's going to be like, VR is going to change everything and it's going to become part of your life. And you're going to have an Oculus Rift and you're going to wear it all the time. So be prepared for that bullshit. Okay. Yeah. I'm not looking forward to it. I want to try one. I really want to try one.

I would like to try one in, in conjunction with a drone with stereoscopic vision. So I can fly the drone from my VR. Yeah. I mean, I think there are limited use cases for VR that makes sense. And that's totally one of them. Uh, gaming is going to be huge as well, but I don't think that we need to bleed this into everything else in the world, which is what they want to do.

And my second bet for this year is this, I mean, we've been dancing around this for a while, but I think government's going to start to get involved. This is the year of the great unbundling debate. Okay. We're going to see what happens with cable providers and people that are trying to get off, you know, cut the wires and things like that.

And, and, and really start to basically do unbundling, um, especially since we've got the Netflix and the Hulu's and the apps and the Apple TVs and all that coming along. It's going to be a big deal this year. Uh, there are more than a few lawsuits pending, I believe. So we're going to hear a lot about that. Yes. The year of a la carte.

Yep. Pretty much. So we shall see. Those are my guesses. Uh, I want to give a shout out to, uh, some of the Canadian friends of the show that I ran into this week. Uh, particularly Ted and Kevin had a fantastic time and, uh, basically a shout out to Jason for yet another year of us doing this. Woohoo. Yep.

I'm going to show a, show a throughout out. Wow. I'm going to throw a shout out to my puppy. Bam, bam. And I look forward to meeting bam, bam. Yeah. So I'm not going to, I'm going to try not to talk about her on the show because, uh, that's, this is not a puppy podcast. Um, but check out.

Hmm. It's a her. Yes. She went with bam, bam, not pebbles. I did because if, when you see the size of her paws and when she walks, it's just like, bam, bam, bam. Okay. Very much has the temperament of bam, bam. And I know bam, bam is generally a boy's name, but I went with it because it's a dog.

So it doesn't really matter. Okay. Uh, so I'm going to start up my, my new blog at life with bam, bam.com where all the pictures will go. So I can try and not have so many unfollowers on social media. I'm just going to keep it in one place. You can follow her there. Keep an eye out for puppy pod.

Yeah. Coming soon. Yes. Um, and the last shout out or not the last shout out. Um, we did it in my day job, the art of charm. We did a best of 2015 episode where all the guys from behind the scenes came out and talked about their favorite episodes. It was really fun.

It was, it was a blast to do. And if you're unfamiliar with what I do day to day, go check out the, this episode and you can kind of get a taste of it. And, uh, that's about that. And I would also like to thank my cohost, Brian for putting up with me for yet another year. Oh, it's, you know, it's always a good time.

Oh yes, it is. Yeah. All right, man. Well, you have a good new year tonight with a plane with your puppy and falling asleep at 11. Oh, let me, let me shout out to the parents out there that might be listening to this right away. And Jason as well, since he's probably going to go to bed early. Netflix is doing a thing where they are basically doing fake countdowns that you can bring up at any time to trick your children.

So they will go to bed. Oh, that's genius. It is genius. So, uh, keep a lookout for that. If you are a parent. Oh man, that's really cool. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for listening. I'm Jason DeFillippo and, uh, you can check me out at jpd.me and soon life with Bam Bam. Oh yes, of course.

And I'm Brian Schillmeister and you can follow me on Twitter at slender fungus where I occasionally update, but not really until next time until next year till next year. Everyone actually, no, this is airing next year. So until next time. Okay. Grumpy old geeks is a fan support show. Check out our Patreon page at patreon.com slash gog.

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