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If I keep it recording all the time, I have to spend hours editing. See, we just did the hot intro. The hot intro. What's up, Brian? Come in, hot bitches. What's up, Brian? Number six. Number six. So I want to start this episode with a definite mention that this is not a paid advertisement.

Because everybody who listens to podcasts knows that Squarespace is the place to get your website with no whatever. But we use Squarespace for our website. Because... That'd be grumpyoldgeeks.com. That would be grumpyoldgeeks.com is a Squarespace website because...

I was just doing an Ariana Huffington and ping it at every opportunity. Oh, thank you, darling. No problem, darling. So I tried it out because I listened to Merlin and Dan on all of their shows talk about it and talk about it. I'm like, okay, well, let's see if this, you know, see if this is all it's meant to be.

And I had a problem. What problem did you have, Jason? I followed their instructions on setting up a podcast. And what I did was I submitted the Squarespace RSS URL to iTunes for our show. Yes.

And was hopeful that their statistics package would be up to snuff to give us all of our readers and listeners and viewers. And it wasn't. So we have no idea who's listening to us. Kind of. I can infer. I can infer from the bits in the stream how many people are listening to the show.

But I cannot point to the numbers and tell an advertiser, oh, this is how many people listen to our show. So I went to go set up a FeedBurner URL. Because FeedBurner, while it's probably going to be taken out back and shot soon, because Google likes to do that, they've got great podcast statistics.

Unless, you know, I go roll our own and do all of the tracking and all that stuff, and I just really don't have it in me. Which, considering this is a free project for us that's for fun, yeah, we're not going to be doing that at the moment. So there was a catch, and I needed to put a new tag in our RSS feed that said, new feed, like iTunes colon new feed.

Right. That lets iTunes know that, oh, the feed URL has changed. Well, Squarespace didn't support that. Hmm. And I went back and forth with their support for a week. Right. As I went up the tiers. Because I got...

Oh, I love that process. Yeah, I got the first guy, and he was just like, oh, this is what you got to do. I'm like, no. Usually when I call people now, I'm like, I don't need basic help. I actually know what I'm doing. Kick me up to the next level, please. Send me to an engineer. Yeah. And it finally, after, like, literally six people, I got to the engineering team, or I got to my liaison to the engineering team.

The engineers, they're like, just shut the fuck up. I'm talking to you. But my support guys, and it was a different person every time. That was the fun part. Oh, isn't that wonderful. But they did read the thread, and they were cognizant of what had happened. The engineers went and implemented the feature to put in a new RSS feed globally for everyone.

So you fixed Squarespace for everyone. I did. You are a hero, man. So now, because the problem is, you can't, if you need to leave, or if you leave, you can jack it up yourself and figure it all out, but it's a pain. But if you do sign up, you follow their instructions, then you want a feed burner URL, or a different URL, like some other feed proxy.

Now you can do it. So all I got to say is, kudos to Squarespace for amazing customer support, and not just saying, oh, we can't do that. Yeah, that is beyond rare. I know, because, I mean, yeah, they lose me as a customer, it's 20 bucks a month.

I mean, I'm not like a huge cash cow to them. Hey, big spender. Yeah, seriously. But, man, I cannot believe they did that. That's amazing, and anybody should support any company that does that, because no one does. No one does.

I'm a customer for life now. I am totally a customer for life, because they did me right, and I just don't get that anymore. I can't remember the last time a company did that for me. Yeah. At all. So, thanks. Yes, and also thanks to the listeners, because we hit number 13 on the top podcast list for technology, so thanks, guys.

Yeah. Appreciate the ratings, the reviews. It's nice. We like doing this anyways, but it's fantastic to know that people actually care. If you listen, please give us a rating, because that's the only way that anybody knows that anybody's listening to anything.

Yeah, tell your friends. Yeah, but give us a good rating. Don't give us a two. Come on. We spent enough on this just in gas to warrant more than a two. Come on. I think so. So, but thank you, guys. I really appreciate it. Yes. So, today is a banner day for us.

What are we doing? We have our first guest. Whoa. Yes. All right. Soon, Rudy Jechan will be joining us of Galacticast fame and Comic Book Orange. Yes. And he actually did a, he was the director for a very short-lived iPhone game video series that I was actually on.

I was one of the co-hosts. Oh, really? Yes. I was reviewing iPhone games. We'll have to put that specific link in. Well, I actually got a really good picture of him on set, and he looks like Superman. Well, I think that's because he's wearing a Superman shirt. That helps. Yes. So, soon Rudy will be joining us, and we're very excited.

Yes. It's going to be nice to have a guest, and hopefully all the tech will work out for that, because we haven't tested it yet. Well, yes. So, a little bit of follow-up. We were talking about security last week. Yes, we were. And this week, there was a giant problem with two very popular WordPress plugins.

WordPress, or WP Super Cache, and W3 Total Cache. Extremely popular plugins. I use some of them myself. Well, you should go update, because about 6 million people have downloaded these plugins, and there are exploits in them that, unfortunately, were released to the public three weeks ago that people knew about, so they've been exploited for three weeks.

So, you might want to go get my personal favorite plugin, and I'll tell you the rub on this in a second, the WordPress Exploit Scanner plugin. It does a great job of finding files that shouldn't be there, and plugins that have vulnerabilities.

Possible vulnerabilities. It's not 100% spot on, but it's really good. So, WP Super Cache was partially written, or the main person that wrote that is a guy named Donica. Okay. He is a main employee of Automatic, the company that makes WordPress.

So, he's a main WordPress engineer. Gotcha. So is Exploit Scanner. Same guy. So, your mileage may vary. But I've used, I had a client. Well, we've always, I mean, that's the reality of the internet now, right? With all these things, it's, they get ahead, you try to catch up, they figure it out, you try to catch up.

Yeah. And I had a client this week who got totally owned, and found a nice, juicy PHP, basically, shell admin tool on their site that had been there for a long time from an old exploit. So, guys, get Exploit Scanner, check your stuff, just poke around, look to see if anything has been modified, and check your permissions on your files and your folders, and don't leave everything writable.

And it also touches back to a previous point that we made on a previous podcast as well. WordPress sucks. WordPress doesn't suck. Plugins are the main exploit factor. But you can't do anything with WordPress unless you use the plugins. Or write your own. Or write your own. But then, that's not what, WordPress is meant to be the cheap and easy site.

If we're writing our own plugins, then we're talking, this is a $100,000 site again, as opposed to the $10,000 site. I'm fine with going back to the $100,000 site days. Oh, me too. Yeah. But, and I implore all of you to start realizing that WordPress, it will bite you in the ass.

If you go cheap, you get what you pay for. And, and on the flip side, just go host it. You know, go, go WordPress host it. Don't get a server and do your own thing. Because most people who do that don't know what they're doing. Yeah. So, yeah. That's, we could talk, like another episode about WordPress.

I can, we can see if Matt will come on and defend himself. You know. That'd be fun. But, like, I'm a fan of what they've done. It's a beautiful concept. Yes. Yes. It's a beautiful concept. It's utopian. Okay, so. So, also, in, in touching back to something, we, we were really picking on Yahoo and trying to figure out what the hell they were going to do anymore.

Big news today. What's the news? The news is that Yahoo snagged the exclusive rights to Saturday Night Live's archives, starting in September. With a caveat that came out a little bit later in the day, being only clips, not full episodes. But, they're moving in hardcore to the streaming video area, which they don't really do much in.

Yeah, I see. Which is an interesting play. I'm confused about that, yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, granted, it's clips, and they don't have exclusive rights to the current season. Yep. But, when you go back to old seasons, there were a lot of dog bits on there. Oh, there's a lot of crap.

Landshark. I mean. No, I like Landshark. What are you talking about? Landshark is one of the best. Yeah. I like the Bass-O-Matic, you know. The Bass-O-Matic, yeah. But, it's an interesting play for them. I mean, when you already have Apple TV, you've got Roku's, and Kindle TV has just been announced.

So, Amazon's moving in with their own setbox player. Yay. You know, it sucks that they can't all integrate. That's never going to happen. But, seeing Yahoo move into that area, obviously impressive that they're doing something, but is that the smart play? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure they're grasping at straws, but it's something.

It's something. You know, they're trying. It better than nothing. Yeah. So, you got some more Kickstarter follow-up, too. Speaking of something, it better than nothing. Oh, yeah. After my epic rant about Kickstarter and Amanda Palmer, and then the whole, oh, crap, what's the, because I never watched the show, Veronica Mars.

Oh, yeah, Veronica Mars. Yeah, which really kind of, like, got my goat. The fact that a major studio is basically throwing stuff up for fans to invest in. Yeah, we got another one. Big one announced today. Zach Braff is now doing his next movie on Kickstarter. Who the hell is that?

Zach Braff. Zach Braff was the star of Scrubs for many ages, and then he did that movie Garden State, which notably featured Natalie Portman in her bra and panties in a swimming pool, which is the only thing I remember about that movie. I saw that movie, and it was so unmemorable, I don't even remember that.

You know, he's kind of, he does cute, whimsical, hipstery things that chicks like. Okay. Yeah. So, he's doing his movie now on Kickstarter, and I can see that he already has $1.659 million, $2 million total, only 23,000 backers, which is something that we'll talk about more as this shakes out a little bit more, because I've been reading some interesting articles talking about how few people actually fund these kind of major star projects.

But it's big money. It's rich fans. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, yeah. So, it's an interesting thing. I'd be interested to see the applauded curve of where the money's coming from, because I'm sure it's a few super fans that are very rich.

We basically are funding these things, and then we want to see where the rest of the money comes from, because there's no way this movie will be made for just the $2 million, as we were talking about with the Veronica Marr thing. Somebody else is going to step in as a distributor, going to kick in money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's going to keep the profit.

Yeah, yeah, basically. Although, we're looking at a picture of him with the word balls written on his forehead, which I find terribly appropriate right now. That's on your chin.

Hello, Rudy.

Hi there. Hi, Brian. Hey, Jason. I shouldn't turn and talk to you, because we're... Don't turn and talk. We've got our first guest on Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm the first guest. Thank you for joining us, coming all the way from Santa Monica. I know, the distant land of Santa Monica. Satan Monica, as I like to call it.

I think, literally, I had to just lie on the floor right outside my workspace and push myself downhill and just did not have to stop to arrive at this wonderful studio. Let me say, it is a wonderful studio. I actually like this space immensely. I feel very creative here. I don't know why. Thank you very much. Yes, and for the listeners at home, we are actually in a kitchen, but it is a beautiful studio kitchen.

Nothing Korean motivates me more than food. So, I mean, you're feeding me after this. That's what I've been assuming. Well, there's some old holiday cookies I see over there. Sold! Let's do it. In true grumpy old geek fashion, there is an old piece of pizza. And I've had one, so if I'm not dead by the end of the podcast, have at it.

Well, thanks for having me. Yeah, so we wanted to have you on because you are, you're not quite old as us. I'm not quite grumpy. And you're not grumpy. You're actually an upbeat. Oh, you'll get there. Yeah, you're a totally upbeat dude. Great career in online media, doing web shows, but also a fucking rock star coder.

So, we thought we'd have you on and talk about some things that old grumpy geeks like us can learn from the young. Complete lies in your intro, by the way. I'm a modest coder, but I love coding and I love online media.

And I don't, the funny thing is you keep saying like old or grumpy, grumpy old geeks. And the funny thing is this last couple of years I've been feeling my age in terms of both coding and creative endeavors. But, so, I include myself in your club.

I don't think I have anything to show you. Well, programming really is a young man's game. Like, once you get past your early 20s. I disagree. I disagree too, but hirers don't seem to agree. Hires don't seem to agree right. Lots of articles about that recently. Yeah. I don't seem to agree with it right now.

And sometimes I live in fear like, well, what if I have to go and look elsewhere for it? You know, I'm 35, 34, 35. I'm terrible with numbers. I don't even know my own name. That's why computers figure things out for me. What's that in Hex? Yeah, exactly.

It's zero. But, but, but, but like, you know, I have seen some of that ageism and I think it's, it's only because I blame everything on the social network that, that, that movie. Oh, yeah. Because like everything we're seeing right now is because everyone's at the, oh, the social network.

I need to find some young 20 year old and throw a bunch of money at him and magically this product will appear out of his ass. You know, that's, that's what I'm seeing in some cases. And, but the reason I say statistically, I disagree is so much of what's going on now is based on ideas, ideas that haven't been percolating, generating in the university for like, like since the beginning of the last century, right?

And, and, and some of those old, old, uh, hats are still in the game because of that, like that foundation of it. So yeah, the hiring, when it comes to like, I guess us, us workmen coders, it may be a bit tougher, but I'm, I think at some point they're going to come around and realize like, wait, most, and I'm going to say this outright.

I believe that 90 to 98% of coders are shit and they're, they're not, they're not good coders at all. Yeah. They're terrible. I know you're saying I'm a rockstar. I believe I am nowhere near a rockstar. I probably put myself in the 90 to 95 percentile, which still qualifies as shit in my, in my opinion. So, you know, and, and it's, there's certain practices you can do to be better at it, but uh, yeah.

But I also, you know, I think there's a code versus big picture thing that happens too. And that comes with experience when you understand the larger thing that's involved, as opposed to actually really knowing the code, kind of the chase, figuring out things quicker. That comes with experience.

That's comes, and that's wisdom. Like that's, that's what, when we say wisdom, it's like, that's really it. It's like, wisdom is not intelligence. Wisdom is, yeah, I tried that before. Yeah. Why don't you, why don't you go ahead and try it too? You've already done this five times with five different clients. It doesn't work. Yeah. And, and I think, so yeah, that, that's really what it comes down.

So what is a young man's game is the insane work hours and, and the, yes. Yeah. That is the thing. That is something that I've been struggling with recently because I started my own company 15 years ago. I was happy to work 40 hours. Because it was yours.

All the time. Right. And now it's, I want downtime. I want to spend time hanging out. I want to spend time with friends. I do not want to be on call 24 seven anymore. But I, I also think that with age and wisdom comes the fact that we can do it faster than those kids.

Those kids are figuring it out. Yeah. They're figuring out everything that we learned by doing those 20 hour work days. Right. And we've been there. We've done that. Okay. We know how to do it. And also some people say kids. I'm also lumping in people who are new to coding. There's, I've encountered a few people who are like, they're, they're just, they're just getting, I've not been coding as long as I have.

Yeah. And, and, you know, everyone's code Academy. Yay. Let's all get into this. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, it's, do you guys feel like, like a lot of the tutorials out there are like, and this is another age wisdom thing that, wow, tutorials are shit. They can really show you how to do something this way.

And you realize at some point you don't like, wow, the way I was taught was completely wrong. Yeah. The tutorials tend to be sloppy now. Yeah. They're not impressive. Right. They don't do what they say they're even going to do half the time. Right. And, and, and so this goes back to the energy thing, which is if you have a lot of energy, you have time to go like, this didn't work.

Let me figure it out. And you iterate on that like a hamster. Yes. You know, and plus like, and that's the young man's game aspect of it of like, I have so much boundless energy. Lately, my mind's been, and I think this is again, an ageism thing, not ageism, it comes with age. You're like, what's minimal effort?

What do I need to do to make minimal effort? Oxum's razor. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, why? I also love, I think that's why I like a lot of the Ruby stuff. Some of the philosophies in there, like dry. Do not repeat yourself. That is awesome. Because it's like, yeah. Why am I doing this like 10 billion times?

It's stupid of me. Yagni. Have you guys ever heard that time? I've heard of it, but I can't remember what it. You are not going to need it. And I love that. I'm like, I'm not going to need it. So like, and that's when people are like, we need to optimize it and have a scale between this and that and blah, blah, blah. And they're like, uh-huh.

Yeah. No. 10,000 people are going to look at this. We don't need it. Exactly. Yeah. I get that with clients with Facebook apps now. They're like, oh, we need multiple servers. We need multiple redundancy and all this stuff. And I'm like- I'd say you don't even need Facebook apps considering the way they keep restructuring their system. You can't even find those fucking things anymore.

Yeah. But they still pay for it. And they're still, by popular, I mean, okay, 10,000 people the first day. Right. Next day, 2,000 people. Next day, 50 people. It went, what's the opposite of viral?

It's doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Entropy is what we call that. Severe Facebook entropy. Day 2, antibiotics hit is what we're trying to say. Yeah. That's the whole youth thing, I think, that is happening.

Right. And I'm saying this. Like, we recently hired at my workplace, Carbon 5, an 18-year-old guy. Smart as a whip. And so full of energy. And it was like those things where you look at yourself like, you're like, oh my God, I was him, you know, 20 years later.

Yeah. And, you know, I took the term, I took the term like a puppy programmer. That's why I saw it in my head. He was like, what are we going to do today? Huh? Huh? Huh? Look what I did. Look what I did. And like, I'm going to try this and try this. And then like, you know, you can't just yell at them and say, no, do this. You know, you do have to like, because then you can't just yell.

You have to train and get in your cage. Yeah. And set boundaries at some point and talk them through stuff. So that, and in this case, this guy, Hugo, who's in our San Francisco office, he is really smart, really cool.

And he's learning and, and, and that's the one thing I think is great. Like some people, he's actually learning and you're like, this is great. I'm teaching you. And I can see that you are adapting those processes. And some, and the good thing about it is sometimes he'll say something and I'm like, you know, you'll think like, you think he'll say something. You're like, no, no, wait, wait.

Yes. Very good. You know, like it's, it's great working with, with, with a younger coder in that way. Right. And I hope most companies start realizing like, you know, a mix might be a good thing. Yeah. There's a lot to be said for that. You got the energy and then you also have the wisdom coming in and kind of. Yeah.

Putting a tap on it. Right. Saying, all right. Exactly. Like, let me redirect you this way. And I think the one thing we have to, I do think that people, it goes back to the whole like 90% or 90 to 90% are shit is. So one thing I think that came up in our generation or maybe right before it, did you guys ever encounter coders who were like, well, I'm just a database coder or I'm just a C sharp coder or I'm just the job.

The generalist. Well, no, that's the specialist versus the generalist. This is what we went through on our, our previous episode. It's like, do you know everything or do you know just one thing? Yeah. Yeah. So I get a lot of people that is like, no, I just do CSS. Yeah. I don't touch it. I don't touch. I don't know. You and I were both generalists growing up because we had to be.

Yeah. Because we started when there was nothing and we figured it all out as it came along. There's a lot more specialists now. And you see, that's the thing is I feel like that is one thing the youth does have, which is they've, because they're embracing this whole do everything lean, you know, why do you need this?

Why do you need all like, like so many people to, to, to, to, for a company approach, at least with their own startups, they're becoming generalists. It's swinging the other way. And I've always been a generalist. You know, I never believed in the idea of like, Oh, I'm a Java programmer. You know, in fact, when I first got hired in my first coding gig, I mean, I didn't know anything about Java.

It was literally like, for me, I was going to be a game. I was going to be a super smart game coder. That was my, like, ever, like I was like, I want to make computer games. And I literally remember the point where I threw up my hands and gave up, which is, I just figured out how to do ray tracing doom style. And literally the next day quake landed.

Fuck this. And at the time, my father, like I had, I sort of had like a timeline of money because my family had moved to Ontario. We were, had been living in Montreal, Canada. I was going to McGill University. I was getting the, yeah, a little bit of, yeah, the Canadian.

Yeah. And, and basically they, and basically my father was like, okay, well, here's the deal. You can move with us. But you and I both know that I mean repeating like possibly one year of university. So instead of graduating in one year, I had to graduate in two. Right. And away from friends, new school, transfer credit, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Or I give you a whack of money. You figure out how to pay for the rest of it. And you're out on your ass. And he also added like, and by the way, once you graduate, if you graduate while living with us, you're still out on your ass, you know? And so I was like, okay, I'll take, I'll take the option of the money and live in Montreal.

And of course, being an idiot, I spent a lot of that money partying. Like I got, I got an apartment in downtown Montreal, which I got to say, some of the most beautiful women in the world. It's an amazing city. Great music scene. Yeah. First time without any parents, festivals in summertime. Yeah.

And it's like, well, I can't code quick and I need to make money. And someone had a job posting for a Java web developer. And I was like, literally, well, they didn't, they said like someone to make, it was like for a web company and they're like, can you code? I'm like, sure. Came in like, can you code Java lying through my teeth?

Sure. Totally. And they're like, can you come? Reading the book that night. Yeah. Well, that was exactly it. Because they said like, can you come in tomorrow and code a sample app? And I'm like, yeah. Went, went to the, went to the bookshop and got one of those in 24 hours. Java in 24 hours.

Yeah. And I was like, okay. And I went, oh, Java is totally like C++, which I had also learned because of game coding and assembly and all that. And just apply those principles to it. And that's always been the case for me. And I've now at, at Carbon 5 where I work, it's, it's like, I don't see myself as a Ruby coder, though.

I love Ruby. You know, I don't see myself as a Java coder. I'm like, I'll take any language you throw at me and I'll, I'll embrace it. Like the, my last project there was, was with a client who had a Python API and, and, you know, some people were like, well, you know, should we transfer this to Ruby?

I'm like, no. Okay. Well, I'm not going to rewrite an API. I'm glad we learned Python. I hadn't, I'd never had a lick of Python. Right. And so I think that generalist attitude is something that, that is, as we grow older, there's a tendency to say like, well, I know what I know. And I, and I, and I was like, as older coders, we should just go for it.

Don't, don't hesitate and encourage others to do, to do the same. Right. Because there, there lies the stagnation and the specialization, which I think is also blocking older coders from, from, from getting in. Well, shit. I got to dump PHP and learn another language.

Every language. All the languages. I know. I know. And no, I mean, do you find that it's easy to jump from language to language because you've learned so many of them? I mean, the concepts are fairly similar for every language. I mean, it's reasons called computer science is there's fundamentals that, that work from language to language.

And I do have strong opinions. Like I don't like PHP, but my problems with PHP have nothing to do with, let's say the language syntax. I just don't like the embeddedness of, of the code on the same page that generates the HTML. Okay. Which is not always in everything. I understand that, but that's where most things like that come my way.

I'm like, ugh, that's how it is. And I also have, I feel like a bird of like, like pearl nastiness is like this freaking library is way too big and way doing too many things that's like like my opinion on php right but push comes to shove i'm like okay well i'll help you write your php app there you go okay you know i i think it's e if you can apply your mind to it you can totally do it and yeah the more languages you expose yourself to you can quickly grok you know like what what is the like oh that's

like this is to that like this is to that you know like i picked up python within a couple of weeks because i noticed a lot of it between ruby and strangely i was like coffee script like a lot of stuff that happens in coffee script and in the node framework for javascript i was like oh that's why they did that because the guy totally ripped it off from python so i worked my way backward like so many like that's the kind of things that you have and that's the joy you take in learning new languages if anyone's looking for a reason to i'm like you know there's the joy when you you figure

you make the connections of evolution and so forth so i think it it works well for you because since you're at a shop that has different language needs all the time yeah you can you can jump between them and yeah i mean like it's it's it's helped us well like i feel like all our coders have that strength because you know these days no one wants no one wants a website what they want is a social framework with a mobile app that hooks into like some other system and plugins into wordpress and

and has connects to multiple apis exactly all over the place yeah you know and so so like you gotta you gotta have that uh that that's that skill or that ability at least where i worked to put on that multiple hats and you sometimes you might have a designer more often not the client brings in their designer and that person knows photoshop and it's something you're the guy that's gotta make it look like that as good as good as it is now carbon five one of the reasons i work there is that their

philosophy too is though like they're like you know what there's a 40 hour work week you're not gonna do the you're not gonna stay late if they're if you're if one of our guys is staying late we talk about it like why are you staying late some of the reasons you're staying late it's like well i did crawl in at 11 a.m like totally you're doing your you're doing your 40 hours you know if someone works a weekend and that like it's almost like this soul searching has to take place before someone works a

weekend because we're like should we should we allow it should we encourage it we insist like you know no no no you're gonna take two days off for the coming week it's the 40 hour thing and it's it's we started that with our it's not like rely on the young guys to do when the old guys go off and do that it's a lifestyle company and that's one thing i do believe that's amazing that's great yeah and and we tell our clients that because we say we also are like one of our big things is honesty with a client like we we say raise the red flag early this is not going to work yes it will no i'm afraid

it's not you know like you can tell me till you're red in the face that it's going to work but that's what you do to your employees and that's why you're coming to us to have people say i'm not going to lie to you and say this is where you where you really are right um or you know like like another phrase we use is come to jesus you know like like the real like when you when our client like we've already raised rad flag they're kind of living still in denial post that and then we have that come to jesus moment where you're like okay now you're feeling it let's talk about what we really

need to work on here given the real priorities and the real budget in the real world that's those are those are um and i i strongly encourage uh grumpy old coders like ourselves uh to to you know we have to pass that down to the up and coming generations yeah because otherwise this cycle that we've we've been through which is like gotta work late gotta deliver gotta do this

it's going to continue and it's not good for for the industry or for anybody it's not good for anybody we're all shooting ourselves in the foot every anytime any but any person says oh i'm going to stay up all night long to take care of this for you and i'm going to do it for no extra cost right hurts all of us all of us yeah either you're not the guy doing it and everyone thinks you're you're an asshole or you're the guy doing it and you become the hero that everyone expects to save the freaking day yeah all the freaking time yeah yeah i agree with that we were just totally talking

about that yeah well i'm not producing any new content for you guys am i well no the the interesting thing is because this is our time warp yes because this episode is going to we're recording this episode after we recorded the next episode yeah wow this one runs out first and then the one we recorded earlier runs later totally appropriate for me as one of my hobbies is i have a time travel podcast yes

yes exactly and i'd actually love to find out how you got started doing that why you decided to do it how it's working out for you there's a short version the longer version we got 30 minutes to kill uh we'll go to medium version uh i mean the short version is basically i love doctor who i love time travel uh the realization at some point is like that's probably my favorite type of type of sci-fi because it's probably the most i don't like i hate to use the word intelligent but it's the one that likes a really

good time travel story but it's also the one that pushes the reset button right it's the jump the shark of sci-fi it will be a lot of the time if done wrong totally wrong yeah for example all of star trek voyager oh my god yeah yeah that show was the worst for for that but a good example is i mean i love back to the future because you actually if you do the math and everything like it's like oh it works especially back to the future too when you're like when he starts playing back on his own timeline yeah i also i also hold up a bill and ted's excellent adventure my favorite i love that

movie the moment when he they realize like wait a minute what if we totally drop that over here and you're like yeah that's really great no yeah it's like okay dude we got to remember that it happened we totally remembered it it's it's really it's really cool and particularly with doctor who a really good well you know like a really well-written episode of doctor who uh which is not to say like every episode has been great yeah especially new you know i mean like like especially old who but

and then with new who people heralded like matt smith's the best and blah blah i love the guy i see i don't oh i i who's your doctor oh well no my doctor my doctor is tom baker but my wow you are a old dude i told you tom baker was my boy i love canine you know back in the day i just there's something about matt smith that just turns me off but i love steven moffitt right more than life

itself really i am a huge steven moffitt fan uh coupling was one of the best shows ever written i thought where yeah i mean the the dialogue in that show just it was spot on and so i was so excited for him to take over who and i was so bummed when it was matt smith that was his doctor i i i think actually i like matt smith i keep though bouncing between eccleston who i love because

he was so different than everybody yes and and tenant uh only because when i watched david tenant's performance like wow the guy knows how to act his heart out given the material sometimes the material he was given was utter crap like let's face it you know there's some episodes where it's like but he's like he feels it he's projecting it you can tell he's loving what he's doing um matt smith i think he's carrying a lot of weak episodes like i feel like he's i'm not he his

performance is excellent and good i think though that he wants out like he's getting that sense for a sense from him yeah tenant's my second yeah you know it's really a toss-up between baker and tenant because i i see them as kind of different because it's such a different show from well yeah it was before and it's yeah it's very different in every like moment like people are like oh is this a two-parter shocker i'm like let me take you back to old who where you know two-parter was really

like like only a two-parter what are you talking about uh yeah okay so i didn't mean to derail the your podcast talking about your podcast well you got there but i just well basically uh i got dr hood i got basically the reason we started it uh me and my my partner in that project liz shannon miller uh like liz is an excellent uh journalist uh and writer uh in her in her own right for

both web video content which i've been producing previously and uh and and she does a bunch of stage plays and and and looking to make her own content as well she actually has a wonderful tumblr called liz tells frank where it just starts me to start started in college where she had a friend called frank that you know he's like should i watch this or can you just give me the summary of what you know what what it's about and it's this hilarious like re you know where she's telling you what actually happened in a show like say like like castle but of course she's making these snide remarks and then

and and you know giving people cute nicknames that are totally hilarious and she actually has a book on amazon for it and so we just we've just turned out to be massive dr who fans in our own right so let's have a podcast because every time we talk together you know you guys i mean i'm presuming this is how this show started where you're like yeah we really should record ourselves we're freaking hilarious let's let's uh let's put this camera in front of us here let's let's start talking that's exactly like that's that's what happened the longer version of course is like how i got into web video

and and all that kind of stuff and and my love for writing and genre and in in general um that came about just at some point where you know i was on the track of of i don't know in my head i was always going to be like oh totally work up the corporate rat ladder totally do everything as a coder and along the way i met this wonderful woman named casey mckinnon uh and we started dating and i introduced her to the world of blogging and rss feeds and and at one point i was like talking about

audio podcasts and she actually said to me like can you do that with video and i sort of did like lean back and like like suppose so rss that's something that guys never thought about yeah and all of a sudden like really cute chicks yeah like well what if there were video yeah exactly can i put a picture of myself in the internet and like i guess so and that's when i first hacked wordpress and and learned to hate php uh well i would i would separate the two because no oh yeah like at this point i'm really like it's like in wordpress is not the same thing yeah exactly like like where at some

point you realize like wow wordpress you're really just throwing shit on the wall aren't you there you know like and that's like literally what happened when like i i rolled my own kind of hack that did rss feeds uh and like a video rss feed uh and this combination of reading some stuff on warren ellis and rss in general and and that and that's where and uh you know she and i started making our our shows together right uh and got i found myself in this wonderful community and

it would kind of reawaken something that i loved when i was going to high school i would i would write fiction stories like like every week i would like write some crazy stuff and people would see like oh here's here's the fun like when the writing assignment came in uh at the end of the year every every year was part of the exam was your essay topic and then the creative assignment and my creative assignment was like i'm gonna make a freaking screenplay you know because i was beyond everybody

when it came to that level of creativity which poems pshaw yeah it was like i'd have stage plays with like like you know taking place in heaven and hell and and things like that and so from there like like we formed uh actually she first started out doing like her like a uh sex news in montreal uh uh video podcast called uh kit cast which she probably if she's listening on this will hate me talking about

hi casey yeah but but that went the way of the dodo like after a while we're like you know we like sex with each other but it's something we need to put it out there for everyone well it's it's yeah it was not something that we record ourselves we actually were literally like like just reporting like news in the sex industry and interviewing people in montreal which has a thriving uh surprisingly so for canada that is that is like the epicenter of the sex industry it is the epicenter and and i know i think

it's still number one of the web like it's the web app epicenter right um i would i would just like to take a moment to say every geek over the age of 30 has worked in the sex industry at some point i that's i i have not wow never happens not once i just disproved your theory in one second sorry blew my stat you i know i know it's supposed to be and yes but but sorry you are never getting into

you're never getting into groundlings never worked once never got a single page i know i suck at improv but just had to disprove that i never did a sex job not once well i mean you could have at least i've worked for a lot of whores i'm in the music industry that kind of qualifies yes yeah somebody's getting fucked well that's true of all industry yes and going back to young coders taking taking advantage of by

working late nights um but but from there we just sort of went oh okay well what do we want to do it's like why don't we do a sci-fi show and and the first attempt was this like this night like we first came up with the name which is galacticast you know but you know people say oh because it was about battle star galactic and we're like no just the word galactic and yeah ast booyah you know score profit yeah exactly and and we had this naive idea which is particularly funny given the whole

like where youtube is these days they're like let's have a channel of shows just the two of us we'll create a network yeah and so the original version galacticast was like was uh like we had a comic orange which was a comic review show we would have world uh world news but was all sci-fi news and reality uh all kinds i think we had like a a uh kind of mystery science theater show we had like all

this stuff planned out and within two weeks like we had a break like we had we broke down we complete meltdown right and and we're like we don't like we're not having fun with this what the fuck are we doing why is this not fun because i mean the reason we stopped doing the stupid sex one was that it wasn't fun this was less fun than that and then we're like but the only thing we're having fun with was the sketches and that was the only one everyone seemed to like was when we're doing these these comedy sketches you know and we just you know you guys have seen it where all we did like

a cheap green screen toss ourselves in their terrible effects but we're having the time of our lives when we're doing that every other show was pulling teeth right painful oh and so we're like well let's just do the sketches and that's all the galacticast became for like two three years and at its height it was it was it was like this again like part of that real awakening of my creative side that i still now i keep trying to stoke the flames which is you know there's something validating when

you do have a bunch of people come up to you regularly and say dude that when you did that thing that was awesome i saw that that was great yeah you know and like it's such a good feeling it's a good thing and whether it happens with code or or with with creative pieces and i actually believe coding is a creative piece absolutely you know it's it's it's that validation of hey you're not you're not coding in a shell and again tips for older guys who are like i'm a java programmer a programmer i'm a or i i only work corporate gigs and i don't believe in open source like

put yourself out there by doing open source coding because that is your creative exercise and people will embrace you and there'll be haters there's gonna be haters for no matter what you put out yeah it doesn't matter what seriously anytime you open your mouth in public there's gonna be a there's gonna be haters and these days maybe more so only because people are idiots because it's easy and it's so easy and it's anonymous exactly they can hide behind i'm actually finding these days anonymity is no longer it's starting to go away because people don't realize yeah you use the same

name on every social network right so when i look up your handle on facebook there you come right so and i also feel as me being a grumpy old man i'm like i feel people there's a generation of people brought up like okay you have a choice of being nice or you can get some more attention to yourself if you'd be a complete asshole yeah and like i'll be an asshole and you know that choice of trolling versus you know how about we have a conversation uh but anyway having that validation was really

good and made me start realizing that some security stuff i've been doing my life like of course i have to climb the corporate ladder even all this time i was doing galactic cast i was still climbing the corporate ladder you're still working a full-time i was doing a full-time gig and that again that's the young man's game yeah but and and for me it was like i was going through i was at a startup which which which which got bought out and all in the meantime was doing this this video show and i did not have a one south by southwest it just came down to like i was like i hate my job

right but i don't want to give up coding what are my choices and i want to move to los angeles because you know if something happens in my writing like that's the place yeah this is where you got to be and then and then something to some guy there he's like dude you're a coder you can job anywhere i'm like and for some reason i was like no i can't i can only get a job it's a struggle to find jobs for coding he's like no it's not you can find a job because this is before the the everyone wants to

hire uh isn't that how you're the facebook guy to code their their their next great app yeah but but i that's when i took the job with carbon five because he said i'm putting in contact with this this awesome guy in los angeles uh and uh it was one of the founders of carbon five and and had a quick interview and he's like totally seemed like the right like the right fit let's move you over and haven't looked back since it was it was uh pretty amazing now galactic acid stopped it became it came to a point where you know there was a number of factors that that went to it casey

and i went through a rough time together and when we got back together part of that rough time was like we were spending a lot like the characters we were on the show became our real life characters and and we weren't being attractive to each other because on the show if you watch the episode she's kind of like like this harpy that's trying to become famous and i'm a complete idiot you know and and and is completely fucking up all the time and we were like we need time to get back to our

normal selves to reset right but then when we try to get back into it we actually had a couple like meetings and stuff and one of the guys uh i talked to uh fred siebert who does federator i think that from his studio came out adventure time and before that uh was another number of things he was like awesome like in some ways people say like well he totally killed your creative spirit i'm like no he did not he told me like be a better writer because literally he was like you are he's

like he's like you are super creative super fun i love watching your shit but it's all parody and if you really got to make it you got to come up with some original ideas i find that to be one of the problems with this whole new paradigm which is anybody can throw anything up now right there's no editing system we're not running things past anybody anymore which is kind of fine for a podcast right whatever i mean that's that this is the medium it's just free form throw it out there

just talk but i definitely see that happening with with you know all the youtube channels that are coming up nobody has an editor anymore i think that's an important part of the process and that's kind of something you know you were you guys were just doing stuff and it was great but you weren't you were you were never getting any feedback to push you further right well the feedback was you're doing great yeah the feedback is it's awesome and then we were like getting we're getting because no friend

is going to tell you it sucks well no because i mean like or that's the thing we like when you're getting like not just people telling you great but at its height we were getting like a million views per month yeah which is astounding and it's like because mind you we're like this is before youtube was big but casey and i still laugh at like we went to a video con i can't remember what the name of it was but we went to this this one of the early video conferences of us bloggers and it was like you know uh zody and steve from smash face they were doing jet set show and all that it was like early

days we're pioneers everyone was referring to us as pioneers and so on and this guy from youtube showed up and it might have been chen uh and and he's like hey guys i just listening in and like you know if you want you can use my little my little network and and casey and i scoffed at it because we were like you can only do three minutes of video at the time that was all you could and like our sketches

can be up to 20 our epics flash forward to now and look where everyone is you know but and someone recently asked me at like a conference i went to like do you have regrets don't you think if you'd stay in the game you'd be like so big you don't you regret i'm like no i don't because on the one hand i was a young guy killing himself and not not happy yeah you know i took i got a lot of i met a lot of awesome people i mean i would not know jason if i did not if i did not get involved

with with all that stuff we met through sean bonner and yeah you know and and and just would there would not be any contacts uh in in that fashion right yeah uh and so i can't regret all the friendships it's brought me and at the same time it was it's time to move on and come up with new creative endeavors and and not like you said like you can keep throwing stuff up yeah and i see a lot of that and you can keep like doing parodies like oh now we're doing parodies of parodies i

mean like what is the harlem shake if you think oh jesus you know you know it's like it's like it's funny but then once well it's funny the first time yeah but at the same time and but it's like not their piece of music it's someone else's piece of music you're recycling and you're rehashing and you're remixing but none of it's original and i totally embrace that culture i mean like i totally cool yeah it's fine but it is what it is yeah it's it's not groundbreaking it's not and i'm interested in making star wars that's the thing it's like i wanted to say you know what i love

world building i love sitting in there so mentally i've been doing a few like in my own creative endeavors now i've been like coming up with worlds and pitches and screenplays and my biggest problem of encounters every time i go out to try to sell for somebody in a web series they're like they're well first it was like i was like oh it's gonna be my totally my next web series and the first thing's like this is kind of expensive um web series means uh 500 bucks an episode yeah well

i began one like a giant like a i have like a steampunk adventure and i was like it began with like an airship duel and i'm like and like you know for me it's again that's and here's the thing the young man is still inside of me because i'm like i totally can do that because i know how to do it technically yeah based on all my experience with galactic cast and other stuff i can totally do this you know and then but you show it to somebody else they're like no it's expensive and so

last year i sold my first screenplay but which was at the end like it was at the tail end of okay that's how hollywood works like like thing where the first thing i sent like me and my writing partner sent this to this guy this that they had heard we're making a short film uh which came out last year it was called dne and and it surprised us he'd actually won like best sci-fi at dragon con uh for a short film but but while while we're still shooting it uh this the studio who shall

remain nameless so they will not sue my ass they totally sent they were like we sent a they he was friends with my writing partner one of the guys there he's like you're doing a short film we want to start supporting short films because like meaning that they want to basically toss some money in it and get the distribution yeah make sure that they lock you down in case it's really really good yeah but we'll just give you a little bit of cash so and we're like whatever because we were like budgeting this short film and like we already put our money into it so any money back is awesome

and so we sent them the screenplay and they came back and they're like and they're like oh well you're already in production with this and we're like oh yeah you knew that like yeah well maybe you can sign us something else which my friend was like he was like oh that's totally means that they love your writing and they really wish they could own it but since they can't they're not going to give you any money for it so then we said but why don't you guys send us something so we sent over one of

our again epics that we've written and and they're like first the response this sounds expensive love your writing sounds expensive can you lower the cost what followed was two or three iterations we just kept cutting things out cutting things out of this idea because they love the idea and they love their writing maybe you could write a four camera family sitcom no and if we could shoot that it's pretty cheap it was a four family fan sitcom with special effects but the whole idea was like

the side quiet a sci-fi sitcom was basically right like like kind of thing eventually became down to like one guy in front of a camera because they were like this is them trying to get into web series this movie studio one guy said wait we can hire we and sit in front of a camera right right that's cool so but the thing is that's what we finally did like we said like what if because the whole thing involves around a scientist and and they're like they'd be saying like well what if it's it's his it's his experiment journal like he's recording himself these experiments so we said like okay

it's one effect per episode because we still want to have like that that sci-fi element but it's really like scientist tries an experiment goes horribly wrong uh comedy ensues one joke under a minute cut it down to bare bones what they came back with the response was like oh you guys write found footage so for them means so this is essentially found footage and we're like my writing partner smart smart guy nar williams he's like yes i'm like what you're talking about like just say yes

yes we write found footage they're like oh can you write as a found footage movie which means horror movie they basically want every found footage movie is paranormal activity that's all they want so we came up with this paranormal activity storyline and and shoot it in green and this is the lesson like we did it and they're like they paid us it was all like it was that was our first screenplay sale and and i was like okay that's how hollywood works that's that's it's it is about like just cut it down to the bare bones the horror movie they totally want to give us more money than any web

series idea because like now it's a movie the silos that people foot put themselves in and that wasn't the promise of of youtube and all these sorts of things is that we would break out of that system but when we briefly did we briefly we all find ourselves being sucked back in which is my argument about kickstarter yeah which was that was going to be all of us as amateurs getting money to do stuff and now the hollywood system is moving in and taking it over i don't i'll say this about the

hollywood system so far that is taking it over it is the actors and the creators themselves which is different than if a studio comes in and does but the studios are still tied to those properties they are looking at them and that's the one thing i would love to have some clear answers in the case of like uh the name is veronica mars which is like wait a minute yeah you know who's doing who's doing what uh but like what's his name zach raff is doing his own movie and that's his his original concept right now right now but then there might be a distribution partner that comes in and

it's and that's and but i'm hoping that they'll become a bunch of george lucases where distribution partner gets squad all except the ticket sales that would be fantastic and they own those properties and i think that's a better judging from history and my own particular industry the music industry i remember pearl jam taking on ticketmaster didn't go well oh i can totally understand what you say now i feel old yeah i still think but i i want to believe to quote more sci-fi david du

company from the x-files right well actually just a poster not david just a poster that's right i'm sorry get out um yeah but the thing is i completely agree with that and one thing i've been something that i've been in the web community still talking about though i've kind of raised my hand at least with some of the web video stuff is why are we having gatekeepers like some people feel a lot of entertainers feel like if i show my if i pitch the right person they will approve my show and

i'll get the money yeah and i've been there too i went through that thinking process for as i said the last few years i'm like if i write the right pitch if i write the right screenplay if i convince the right person they'll let me make my movie or they'll let me make my web series right and then it's realized the things i realized is not everything has to be a web series despite that's where my last success was and number two is i never need the gatekeeper when i did galactic cast you just did it i just did it yeah and that is the young man thing that i think an old guy can still

do yeah and the one thing we do have to do is preserve the space so like i was so happy when we did the sopa stuff you know when that came about and and we all said let's stand up and fight against that because it was wrong yeah kind of tired i'm kind of surprised that we all slept at the wheel with the with the syspa yes yeah so that's just passed another well the the big difference with that is google was behind sopa yeah behind the stopping sopa but they're not behind syspa right

and so you know you you lose you know the 800 pound gorilla in the room yeah and that's the thing that we have to do from the ground up to get like coders and google to be excited about it they bring it up to to their heads and so forth that's the thing that we still need to fight on fight on because i find that the younger generation they don't get that especially the younger generation generation of youtubers and stuff who are like because they're not coming in from a coder like we're coming in as like when i was in youtube stuff not youtube the video web video stuff i came in as

a coder who rediscovered his creative self but i had the strength of like oh i could totally hack together my own video rss feed yeah but i guess i'm looking at it from a really depressing perspective which is when we all got started with this stuff it was all open and cool and i just see all of this stuff being taken over by the major corporate interests already i think it's all gone already i think it's gone i do not believe that i i want to believe i i guess

for me it's like i believe that it's still possible for anyone to put something out there and if they're clever enough to get the people to watch it because that's maybe some um at&t will hire them to do a commercial that's and that's where that seems to be where everything's going now and if you make a clever youtube video that catches virally you'll get hired by a corporation to make a commercial and that's the thing that i think like the whole catch virally thing is like i'm gonna make a viral video and like you're already lost again yeah it's ridiculous i can't take a bike ride down venice

beach everybody's got their cameras and they're shooting themselves doing stupid shit right that's all people do anymore is trying to make viral videos and i mean like that's like they kind of missed the point like part of the viral is it's viral it's viral it happens by chance look up the definition you i'm sure you can you can help align things in your favor but so far things are viral like i think the only thing that's consistently viral is like have a famous person do something stupid as a comedy sketch i mean that's entire funny or die and that's why they're viral because people

go i recognize i recognize real feral he's a cool guy you know that that's what bronx to bring them in and that to your point of the kickstarter like i'm gonna be like the one thing i think is is apart from tech products for most of the video stuff is hey we have famous person x in our in our video project totally give us money give us money let's let's raise the let's raise the bar there but you might hate me for giving this example but 50 shades of gray as much as that's a terrible

terrible i'm into anything that gets women horny okay i had an interesting conversation like like like half post commenting about the fetish there's a crucifixion fetish out there oh my god oh my god yeah i did finally i was like davy i'm gonna nail you i'm really gonna nail you

oh that's good that's some gold right there yeah but that but that's my that that's uh like like there is always something out there for people to to to do the gate the gatekeepers previously gatekeepers were real yeah i feel like the the emperor has no clothes with the gatekeepers now well as long as that's why you're seeing the panic of people running towards kickstarters especially

the major corporation right because they're like shit we don't have we don't know what works anymore throw money at us and then whatever you guys want we'll make right and i feel it takes is for some like there is a point where you do i put in quotes sell out but how you choose to sell out can like if someone says i totally want you to make my my at&t commercial i'm like well i don't want to make your at&t commercial i totally want to make star wars and i don't mean a star wars parody i totally want us to all be little george lucas is like i built this world so again 50 shades of gray someone

totally built a world a crappy world but it was their own and they got it out there well that's that's fair i mean same thing with uh whatever the kate stewart thing was twilight yeah twilight and and we're going with books as an example but the same although we can even go with true blood yeah which was just some crazy southern older woman who wrote all those books and then it became this great miniseries and so some people might take the lesson because i'm also i'm trying to write a novel right now and they're taking the lesson like oh it's the secrets right books i'm like no smack up you

upside the head it's not write books it's write an interesting world that people can live in because down the line i see us doing especially with all this ocular ocular rift thing we're building worlds we're building playgrounds for each of us to play in that's all star wars is at this point it's a giant playground where ideas of one guy have evolved to all kinds of freaking rides whether it's apps or or or or other books or movies it always comes down to create an interesting idea right and hopefully

it'll find its way out there somewhere yeah misa think you're right oh jesus now i want to punch you whatever i i already watched that recently oh i've never gone back to re-watch this so that is the thing i've never gone back i'm like is it as bad as i remember it's worse and i was like it is the but with the exception of episode three episode three was the one that they said like i was like when darth vader was came up and the thing went and everything in the room crunched around him that

was horrible that's the thing is that those there's a few moments in there that make you really angry yeah unlike the first two which there's no yeah there's no quality yeah i think the number like the only like i used to think midichlorians what the fuck are those right midichlorians what the hell where the sensor is a gillette razor whereas like like and and and i used to think like episode two episode two was better than one because there's less jar jar it's like no it actually makes far less sense episode one kind of make no it doesn't no but at least there's that awesome lightsaber fight

at the end episode two no sense but have you heard about the machete order of watching star wars i've heard of it but yeah it's like watch episode because people are like yeah our generation talk about older generation having younger generations how are we going to introduce our kids to star wars yeah you can't you can't show them one two three because then they know you have to start with the beginning right and then you're like this is this is those are bad right that's like trying to get i tried to get my girlfriend at the time into battle star galactica the the redone one right

the miniseries boring as hell once it actually got into the series it was awesome right but sitting through that first two-hour miniseries she fell asleep yeah it can be painful once i got her past that she was way into it and and and so with with prequels even worse though because they ruin it's spoilers yeah it ruins episode five right like like it's like the best moment is like when lu when vader says i'm your father which we make fun of now but it's like no that was that was pivotal

that was yeah i was like 15 at the time i was like what and so so like the episode the proper order to watch star wars that according to the machete order is you watch four you watch five and then you know with your father then you flash back oh you wait for return yeah and then you do return the jedi where he all comes together actually jar jar sobs you up for the ewoks yeah that's true because like you thought he was annoying yeah but the the best thing is like i came to the point where

like then some people said like oh even better machete orders drop one all together so it's four five two three six and now after watching through everything like just three it's like four five three because literally in episode four it's like your father was a pilot and then later i am your father that's what you get in four and five the two main points yeah guess what happens at the beginning of episode uh episode three obi-wan and and anakin are fighter pilots like blasting through stuff and then they're jedi you know like totally let's pick up like that's all we need that's it

everything else is just shit you know they review everything and the story actually makes sense in three but has these terrible moments of like i'm on the higher ground and flips yeah stuff like well given that we're about to get a new star wars movie every year for the next couple years we're gonna have to revisit this topic yes i mean i actually was excited about the jj abrams casting like like a hiring for the for the director yeah uh like people are like oh his star trek like i know some old trackies are upset about it i'm like he did a complete reboot that's fine i just don't like one man in charge of

two of my favorite childhood sci-fi things you know he's totally gonna get fired from the from the trek franchise and the fact is let's face it he made star he made the star wars star trek like punch punch punch it mr sulu and you know all that stuff it's it's he he needs to be in star trek he wants to be i mean in star wars he wants to be in star that's where he should be yeah i i hope he stays with star trek though just because yeah i mean no no you find some good directors he he rebooted the

thing you find some good writers some good directors star trek still got some legs they can do some cool stuff with that simon peg is scotty still is the best casting oh yeah actually that's all around yeah every time i mean there's two things that's possibly going to happen they're going to either like let him do produce the third one yeah he'll produce yeah and and and that's it because that'll be the end of that trek series or they're they'll hand it off and hopefully they'll do something like bond because i mean the last couple bonds have been not bad like even quantum

souls where people like say it's bad like yeah but i can take you back to some some pierce brosman ones yeah all of the roger moore ones and he was the bond i grew up with right and i i like timothy dalton but i'm the only one apparently but i thought he was good timothy dalton is the one you should watch when you're older and then it makes complete sense but when when you're a young guy yeah because that was the midlife crisis bond right exactly that's what that show was yeah perfect that's exactly

what he was yeah like oh i've been doing this since i'm so tired yeah i'm a grumpy old spy but i gotta say quantum of solace i actually liked better than casino royale really yeah i think i can go back maybe it's because i've seen casino royale so many times that i can i can still watch quantum of solace but it's i liked it i liked it a lot i liked it and i think people who i don't think it's

as good as casino royale but i liked it all right i agree with that too well rudy thank you for coming by man it's been awesome all over the place and there's so many more things i want to talk to you about i know i geek out all night if you want to bring me back i am more than welcome this has been awesome talking with you guys all right i said like i i love i love the show i was telling jason's like it's like having my friends talk to me in my ear while i work i'm like i'm doing coding

stuff and by all means please pimp your stuff whatever you want to pimp uh let's see uh well basically if you want to contact me about anything geeky you can find me at like my central hub is twitter i'm rudy on twitter i was there at the south by when they launched so i'm like like okay i'll totally grab that name what's that number of years that you always say about twitter oh the 140 the original 140 were you one of the 140 i don't think i was okay i think but you're early to get just at rudy well it was one of those things where i actually had my full name and i'm like wait a minute am i

the first rudy on here and you could have probably got an r back at that point yeah let's but you know what caused that thinking was tantec yep he got tea he got tea and i was like i don't want to be called at r which i actually regret now because i'm like given the number of people in indonesia who message me thinking i am their rudy oh yeah yeah they're they're wow there's yeah there's apparently some some famous jpd in indonesia so i get all of these messages on indonesia i know on

instagram everybody's like they all live on their phones 24 7. imagine actually doing it to us they're like totally we have this huge fan base out there that we're just not aware of we'll take your deutsche markies sorry there's a reference there and my friend has mj mj yes michael jackson everyone michael jackson died she's like twitter's fucking useless for me now it's like just fucking useless i told like i i hear you uh nowhere near that that bad for stuff but like when when rudy

currents gets anytime someone likes his youtube video i get pinged with with it it's only weird stuff but but that's usually where i like interacting with people i love interacting with people you can look at the archives galactic cast if you happen to want to catch that show uh i love coding you can see stuff on github underneath 3d chan and as i said these days keep an eye out for later this year my my novel will be out and i have a beer app hopefully in the next month that i'm going to put out oh really yeah yeah we need to talk off the air

okay well yeah well when your novel comes out we hope you come back on and we can totally talk about it i'll actually tell you off the off off this chat what it's about you can tell me if you really want me to come back on i'm thinking we'll watch it 50 shades oh 50 shades of coo yeah exactly or 50 shades of jar jar all right let's call it all right man talk to you later bye

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